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In my opinion that does not quite explain it completely. I recently read Mind over Grind by Guy Winch and he tries to explain it with Maslow’s hierarchy of need

by mnzi 6mo ago

In my opinion that does not quite explain it completely. I recently read Mind over Grind by Guy Winch and he tries to explain it with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and that losing our job costs us security, social structure, status, accomplishment, as well as a sense of our identity.

tonyedgecombe 6mo ago
I suspect most retirees would disagree.
- dozerly 6mo ago
  There’s a key distinction you’re intentionally ignoring with this comment… retirees don’t need the job they gave up to satisfy their pyramid. Employed people often do.
  - thephyber 6mo ago
    Retirees without a meaning outside of work don’t live long. They don’t need “a job”, but like every human, they need a reason to wake up in the morning. For lots of people (even retirees), that is/was a job.
    - AugSun 6mo ago
      "For lots of American people (even retirees)" LOL
- munificent 6mo ago
  Many would disagree but many would disagree. When you look around or start talking to older folks you discover that retirement is often a traumatic transition, even when entered voluntarily. The loss of structure, frequent social interaction, and a sense of meaning can be really difficult. There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after because they sort of stop thriving in the absence of those things. It's particularly bad for men who relied on their career both for their self worth and their social interaction.
  - betaby 6mo ago
    > There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after because Because they are old. Retirement age is close to the death, especially for men. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm
  - tonyedgecombe 6mo ago
    >There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after That's mainly because people with poor health are forced into early retirement.
- contraposit 6mo ago
  Yes. It is similar to the military saying that, "cemetry is full of indespensible people." We think the company won't thrive without us, but flow of life finds a way to do without it. This realization can be good or bad depending on your outlook. The Day I Realized Work Was Stealing My Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yw6tBaT0X4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yw6tBaT0X4
Avicebron 6mo ago
> security, social structure, status, accomplishment, as well as a sense of our identity. It's almost like staking all of this to a single gameable resource is an issue.

by mnzi 6mo ago

tonyedgecombe 6mo ago

I suspect most retirees would disagree.

dozerly 6mo ago
There’s a key distinction you’re intentionally ignoring with this comment… retirees don’t need the job they gave up to satisfy their pyramid. Employed people often do.
- thephyber 6mo ago
  Retirees without a meaning outside of work don’t live long. They don’t need “a job”, but like every human, they need a reason to wake up in the morning. For lots of people (even retirees), that is/was a job.
  - AugSun 6mo ago
    "For lots of American people (even retirees)" LOL
munificent 6mo ago
Many would disagree but many would disagree. When you look around or start talking to older folks you discover that retirement is often a traumatic transition, even when entered voluntarily. The loss of structure, frequent social interaction, and a sense of meaning can be really difficult. There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after because they sort of stop thriving in the absence of those things. It's particularly bad for men who relied on their career both for their self worth and their social interaction.
- betaby 6mo ago
  > There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after because Because they are old. Retirement age is close to the death, especially for men. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm
- tonyedgecombe 6mo ago
  >There are a lot of people who retire and die not long after That's mainly because people with poor health are forced into early retirement.
contraposit 6mo ago
Yes. It is similar to the military saying that, "cemetry is full of indespensible people." We think the company won't thrive without us, but flow of life finds a way to do without it. This realization can be good or bad depending on your outlook. The Day I Realized Work Was Stealing My Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yw6tBaT0X4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yw6tBaT0X4

Avicebron 6mo ago

> security, social structure, status, accomplishment, as well as a sense of our identity. It's almost like staking all of this to a single gameable resource is an issue.