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Hungary Is a Laboratory for Illiberal Nationalism. The Results Are In
- tonyedgecombe 7mo agoIt’s got to be bad if Cato are dissing them.
- victorbjorklund 7mo agoTo be fair if you look back at what they previously written they critiqued Orban for over a decade.
- itsdesmond 7mo agoI was checking if the url had weird Unicode shit going on, or something.
- soundnote 7mo agoHow so? Cat are open borders people, no?
- coldtea 7mo agoOr the exact opposite. Cato are just neoliberal elite shills. Anything that hurts the bottom line of that class is "bad".
- consumer451 7mo agoYour comment tastes a lot like American right-wing billionaire word salad. The only thing missing is some reference to Soros. Orban is supported directly by Trump, Thiel, and company. These are literally the most elite rich folks on the globe. They are all against democracy and are pro-authoritarian. As TFA points out, the experiment has been run, and it leads to ruin. That's just facts.
- Dig1t 7mo agoOrban’s opponents are also supported directly by the American Liberal establishment, including Obama, Soros, etc. https://www.obama.org/stories/president-obama-explores-ways-to-combat-the-rise-of-authoritarianism-with-eastern-european-alumni/ https://www.obama.org/stories/president-obama-explores-ways-... >Barack Obama Targets Hungary, Poland in His ‘Fight for Democracy’ https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/barack-obama-hungary-poland/ https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/barac... Indeed the linked article is its own jumble of leftist billionaire word-salad. Classic stuff like “defending democracy” while simultaneously overturning elections (see Romania) that they don’t like and subverting the will of the electorate by flooding the country with refugees (see EU penalties). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Romanian_election_annulment_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Romanian_ele... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clww729180po https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clww729180po
- consumer451 7mo agoAnd what exactly is wrong with classic modern Democracy/Social Democracy, if the alternative is authoritarianism? Even neolibs are better than authoritarians. The Overton Window has moved so far to the right, that self described nazis are invited to the White House, and this is an actual conversation that we are having.
- coldtea 7mo ago>And what exactly is wrong with classic modern Democracy/Social Democracy, if the alternative is authoritarianism? That is has become a uniparty, undemocratic authoritarianism itself, and when applied as foreign influence, it's just another mask of global neoliberalism and client state relations.
- consumer451 7mo agoAre you kidding me? You are clearly not up to date on actual facts on the ground, and you are just repeating very stale talking points.
- rurban 7mo agoThe results are not yet in. Don't forget how "sovereign democracies" do elections. Just look at how Russia, Turkey, Georgia or the US are doing their elections. Vladislav Surkov, Putin's wizard was right. Just give them bread and circuses.
- ahartmetz 7mo agoSurkov is much more sophisticated than that. "Managed opposition", for example, is closer to evil genius level.
- Jeff_Brown 7mo agoThey're not saying the election results are in. They're saying Orban's style of rule has been a disaster for Hungary.
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- garaetjjte 7mo agoMagyar was member of Fidesz up to 2024. So if he actually wins would this be meaningful change or just internal party infighting?
- tim333 7mo agoHe seems much less into Putin and corruption than Orban, hence Trump making a big effort to support Orban.
- dzonga 7mo agoconstitutional coups. unfortunately being attempted all over from Hungary, Russia(successfully), Zimbabwe (currently in progress) and other nations all over.
- tancop 7mo agocato and reason are the only conservative/libertarian sites i respect. they actually believe in democracy and freedom, just defined in a different way from mine and focused on other issues that more liberal or leftist media ignore. reason has a lot of coverage on eminent domain laws and online censorship for example. compare that to fox but also more "educated" places like the free press or quillette and the difference is clear.