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I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bom

I often see these angles, how we should have prepared better or attacked this instead of that, or the unexpected strategy from the adversary. What about not bombing? The best safety trick the US can use is not bombing others.

psychoslave 6mo ago
Well yes, and actually instead of wasting billions creating understandable cause of hate, this could be injected into domestic social spendings, and there would probably still be a lot staying on the table to throw in humanitarian endeavors around the globe creating love through so called soft power.
testing22321 6mo ago
The US is a country of violence and war. Founded from a war, massive civil war, almost perpetually at war for the last many decades. Military spending costs a trillion a year (Trump wants 1.5 trillion). It’s big business and makes some people very rich.
YZF 6mo ago
Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked? https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embassy-bombings https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embass... Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? I would love for nobody to bomb or kill anyone. Did Ukraine bomb Russia? Is Taiwan bombing China that declares it is going to take Taiwan by force? There isn't a single conflict in the world today where I can see that someone can just say "we're going to stop" and they'll be safe. There is always something more to it. If Ukraine says we'll just stop attacking Russian soldiers is that war over? If Russia says we'll just stop attacking Ukraine and stay where we are is that war over? Is there any other conflict where the answer is simply stop and it'll be fine?
- stavros 6mo ago
  > Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Iraq, during the Gulf War. > Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Japan, though the US didn't bomb them, it instituted an oil embargo and asset freeze. > Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked Iraq, during the Gulf War. > Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? Tripoli and Benghazi, Iran Air Flight 655. I don't understand the purpose of these questions. Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it?
  - throw310822 6mo ago
    The US are also the major enabler of Israel's colonial expansion and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This was clearly expressed by Bin Laden himself as one of the motives behind the 9/11 attacks. > Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it As I remember, this was exactly the way the US explained 9/11: "they hate us for our freedom".
    - stavros 6mo ago
      Sure, but I'd hope any commenter here would be smart enough to not believe such a facile explanation.
    - YZF 6mo ago
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      - throw310822 6mo ago
        You asked "who did the US bomb before 9/11" and you got the answer. Now you're arguing that they shouldn't have reacted even if the US bombed them before (calling it "an excuse")? As for the peace process with Palestinians, it was always a sham. The US (as it's evident now to many) are entirely unable to apply any sort of pressure on their "ally". What they've done is just buying time for Israel to expand its colonisation under the temporary pretense of some ongoing "peace process".
ACCount37 6mo ago
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- krisoft 6mo ago
  > When the choice is "let Iran have nukes" or "bomb Iran", you bomb Iran every time. There was also the choice of “Iran let us verify that they are not making nukes, and in return we remove economic sanctions from them”. It was called the JCPOA, and according to non-proliferation experts it worked. And then on the 8th of May 2018 Trump unilaterally withdrew from it. Let’s not pretend that there were no other options.
  - towledev 6mo ago
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    - defrost 6mo ago
      An accord reached between Iran and several world powers, including the United States, in July 2015. Not Just Obama. Can the world be saved from central north American partisan squabbling please.
      - towledev 6mo ago
        It would be truer to say the agreement was between several world powers and Obama, as the Senate didn't ratify.
        bdangubic 6mo ago
        did the senate ratify starting a war with iran or president is ok to bomb with isreal at will but any agreement requires “ratification” by senate?!
        towledev 6mo ago
        Re starting wars, you’re preaching to the choir. Re international agreements: yes, the idea is that _broad support_ is required for binding international agreements. Senate ratification represents broad support. The JCPOA was written in pencil.
kelnos 6mo ago
It's a lot more than "just" not bombing. We also need to stop meddling in other countries' affairs. 9/11 and the war on terror are a direct result of all of our "nation building" over the prior decades. If we'd left well enough alone, the twin towers would likely still be standing, and we might still be able to bring as many liquids as we want on planes, and see our loved ones off at the gate when they're taking a trip and we're staying behind.
- pstuart 6mo ago
  We need to stop treating business's resource extraction from foreign countries as "national security". And I'd be all for "nation building" if it actually worked and moved countries to be democratically run. The +$6T spent on Iraq and Afghanistan are an indictment of our efforts to "help". We just fucked with Venezuela -- where are the reports of us "helping"?
_heimdall 6mo ago
Pacifism at such a large scale is a self-defesting strategy though. If its well understood that a country will never respond, eventually someone will take them over or wipe them out.
- AlecSchueler 6mo ago
  Responding to a threat and meddling proactively half the world away are quite different things, are they not?
  - _heimdall 6mo ago
    For sure, and I wasn't arguing that they are the same.
danny_codes 6mo ago
Hey! If we did that Palantir’s stock price would go down. Unacceptable, more children must be bombed. ‘Tis the only thing to do.

psychoslave 6mo ago

Well yes, and actually instead of wasting billions creating understandable cause of hate, this could be injected into domestic social spendings, and there would probably still be a lot staying on the table to throw in humanitarian endeavors around the globe creating love through so called soft power.

testing22321 6mo ago

The US is a country of violence and war. Founded from a war, massive civil war, almost perpetually at war for the last many decades. Military spending costs a trillion a year (Trump wants 1.5 trillion). It’s big business and makes some people very rich.

YZF 6mo ago

Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked? https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embassy-bombings https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/east-african-embass... Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? I would love for nobody to bomb or kill anyone. Did Ukraine bomb Russia? Is Taiwan bombing China that declares it is going to take Taiwan by force? There isn't a single conflict in the world today where I can see that someone can just say "we're going to stop" and they'll be safe. There is always something more to it. If Ukraine says we'll just stop attacking Russian soldiers is that war over? If Russia says we'll just stop attacking Ukraine and stay where we are is that war over? Is there any other conflict where the answer is simply stop and it'll be fine?

stavros 6mo ago
> Who did the US bomb before 9/11? Iraq, during the Gulf War. > Who did the US bomb before Pearl Harbor? Japan, though the US didn't bomb them, it instituted an oil embargo and asset freeze. > Who did the US bomb before its embassies in East Africa were attacked Iraq, during the Gulf War. > Who did the US bomb before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 ? Tripoli and Benghazi, Iran Air Flight 655. I don't understand the purpose of these questions. Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it?
- throw310822 6mo ago
  The US are also the major enabler of Israel's colonial expansion and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This was clearly expressed by Bin Laden himself as one of the motives behind the 9/11 attacks. > Were you thinking the US was just minding its own business and some bad guys came and attacked it As I remember, this was exactly the way the US explained 9/11: "they hate us for our freedom".
  - stavros 6mo ago
    Sure, but I'd hope any commenter here would be smart enough to not believe such a facile explanation.
  - YZF 6mo ago
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    - throw310822 6mo ago
      You asked "who did the US bomb before 9/11" and you got the answer. Now you're arguing that they shouldn't have reacted even if the US bombed them before (calling it "an excuse")? As for the peace process with Palestinians, it was always a sham. The US (as it's evident now to many) are entirely unable to apply any sort of pressure on their "ally". What they've done is just buying time for Israel to expand its colonisation under the temporary pretense of some ongoing "peace process".

ACCount37 6mo ago

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krisoft 6mo ago
> When the choice is "let Iran have nukes" or "bomb Iran", you bomb Iran every time. There was also the choice of “Iran let us verify that they are not making nukes, and in return we remove economic sanctions from them”. It was called the JCPOA, and according to non-proliferation experts it worked. And then on the 8th of May 2018 Trump unilaterally withdrew from it. Let’s not pretend that there were no other options.
- towledev 6mo ago
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  - defrost 6mo ago
    An accord reached between Iran and several world powers, including the United States, in July 2015. Not Just Obama. Can the world be saved from central north American partisan squabbling please.
    - towledev 6mo ago
      It would be truer to say the agreement was between several world powers and Obama, as the Senate didn't ratify.
      - bdangubic 6mo ago
        did the senate ratify starting a war with iran or president is ok to bomb with isreal at will but any agreement requires “ratification” by senate?!
        towledev 6mo ago
        Re starting wars, you’re preaching to the choir. Re international agreements: yes, the idea is that _broad support_ is required for binding international agreements. Senate ratification represents broad support. The JCPOA was written in pencil.

kelnos 6mo ago

It's a lot more than "just" not bombing. We also need to stop meddling in other countries' affairs. 9/11 and the war on terror are a direct result of all of our "nation building" over the prior decades. If we'd left well enough alone, the twin towers would likely still be standing, and we might still be able to bring as many liquids as we want on planes, and see our loved ones off at the gate when they're taking a trip and we're staying behind.

pstuart 6mo ago
We need to stop treating business's resource extraction from foreign countries as "national security". And I'd be all for "nation building" if it actually worked and moved countries to be democratically run. The +$6T spent on Iraq and Afghanistan are an indictment of our efforts to "help". We just fucked with Venezuela -- where are the reports of us "helping"?

_heimdall 6mo ago

Pacifism at such a large scale is a self-defesting strategy though. If its well understood that a country will never respond, eventually someone will take them over or wipe them out.

AlecSchueler 6mo ago
Responding to a threat and meddling proactively half the world away are quite different things, are they not?
- _heimdall 6mo ago
  For sure, and I wasn't arguing that they are the same.

danny_codes 6mo ago

Hey! If we did that Palantir’s stock price would go down. Unacceptable, more children must be bombed. ‘Tis the only thing to do.