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Why haven’t they done it yet? I just think they’re incentivized enough for it.

sph 6mo ago
Because until literally a year ago, the country that hosted Microsoft was one of France's most trusted allies. It takes time to find a suitable replacement to a global monopoly.
- orochimaaru 6mo ago
  Not really. I mean Trump has amped the rhetoric, but there have been no new laws passed. The privacy threats were always there.
  - pjc50 6mo ago
    Law is irrelevant under the power of the gun; it was the threat to invade Greenland and the threat to leave NATO which have triggered this. (people keep saying things like "only Congress has the power to declare war"; that may be technically true, but a war declaration is a piece of paper, and practically the authorization of force is at the personal disposition of the President)
  - bootsmann 6mo ago
    Not everything makes US news but the decision by Microsoft to shut down ICC accounts after a Trump EO on sanctions really spooked a lot of EU governments.
  - bulbar 6mo ago
    There were general and abstract privacy threats. The current US administration however has managed to alienate the EU population as well as EU politicians. Trump has basically ended the alliance between the western world and the US and everybody has started to built around that fact. Just one example is that the EU has finalized multiple huge trade contracts, some were in the making for decades. I don't think the next US administration - if the US remains a democracy - will be able to fix that. The US lately has been very vocal that they don't want to be the center of the western world anymore and the western world got the message. Reorganizing the post-WWII world order will take some time, of course, but I feel like the world is proceeding quite fast.
- pulse7 6mo ago
  It looks like the president - which was a businessman - will make a huge damage to American IT businesses. And IT stocks dominate the S&P 500, comprising roughly 1/3 of the index's total market capitalization... Good luck America!
- gunsle 6mo ago
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  - sph 6mo ago
    You know about Europe from Reddit subs. I know about Europe because that's where I live. We are not the same.
  - benj111 6mo ago
    Sorry I thought it was the president of the US that imposed tariffs, threatened to invade Canada and Greenland, wanted to remove all Gazans from Gaza, etc, etc. not some random Reddit poster. My mistake.
- dwedge 6mo ago
  One eu country or another has been talking about this for at least a decade. Nothing will happen this time either, or we'll get another of those things like the weird owncloud knock off that is totally developed by the EU
  - benj111 6mo ago
    On the other hand in 2018 Europe managed to sort out LNG etc pretty quick. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been louder and faster after the tariffs came in, but we've already had investigation after investigation into monopoly practices, the EU is working on domestic payment processing. So the political will is there. I assume they're just quietly getting on with sorting it out.
    - bulbar 6mo ago
      Exactly. They know there's nothing to win by being vocal about it. But it's obvious that there has been a general shift within all of EU.
      - benj111 6mo ago
        Is slightly disagree. Trump brought in the tariffs based on trade imbalances. Bringing services into the conversation would highlight that there isn't a trade imbalance. But then I'm not trying to guess what trump might do with any given input.
nixass 6mo ago
> yet Best time to start doing it was yesterday. Second best time to start doing it now. They are at "now" step.

sph 6mo ago

Because until literally a year ago, the country that hosted Microsoft was one of France's most trusted allies. It takes time to find a suitable replacement to a global monopoly.

orochimaaru 6mo ago
Not really. I mean Trump has amped the rhetoric, but there have been no new laws passed. The privacy threats were always there.
- pjc50 6mo ago
  Law is irrelevant under the power of the gun; it was the threat to invade Greenland and the threat to leave NATO which have triggered this. (people keep saying things like "only Congress has the power to declare war"; that may be technically true, but a war declaration is a piece of paper, and practically the authorization of force is at the personal disposition of the President)
- bootsmann 6mo ago
  Not everything makes US news but the decision by Microsoft to shut down ICC accounts after a Trump EO on sanctions really spooked a lot of EU governments.
- bulbar 6mo ago
  There were general and abstract privacy threats. The current US administration however has managed to alienate the EU population as well as EU politicians. Trump has basically ended the alliance between the western world and the US and everybody has started to built around that fact. Just one example is that the EU has finalized multiple huge trade contracts, some were in the making for decades. I don't think the next US administration - if the US remains a democracy - will be able to fix that. The US lately has been very vocal that they don't want to be the center of the western world anymore and the western world got the message. Reorganizing the post-WWII world order will take some time, of course, but I feel like the world is proceeding quite fast.
pulse7 6mo ago
It looks like the president - which was a businessman - will make a huge damage to American IT businesses. And IT stocks dominate the S&P 500, comprising roughly 1/3 of the index's total market capitalization... Good luck America!
gunsle 6mo ago
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- sph 6mo ago
  You know about Europe from Reddit subs. I know about Europe because that's where I live. We are not the same.
- benj111 6mo ago
  Sorry I thought it was the president of the US that imposed tariffs, threatened to invade Canada and Greenland, wanted to remove all Gazans from Gaza, etc, etc. not some random Reddit poster. My mistake.
dwedge 6mo ago
One eu country or another has been talking about this for at least a decade. Nothing will happen this time either, or we'll get another of those things like the weird owncloud knock off that is totally developed by the EU
- benj111 6mo ago
  On the other hand in 2018 Europe managed to sort out LNG etc pretty quick. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been louder and faster after the tariffs came in, but we've already had investigation after investigation into monopoly practices, the EU is working on domestic payment processing. So the political will is there. I assume they're just quietly getting on with sorting it out.
  - bulbar 6mo ago
    Exactly. They know there's nothing to win by being vocal about it. But it's obvious that there has been a general shift within all of EU.
    - benj111 6mo ago
      Is slightly disagree. Trump brought in the tariffs based on trade imbalances. Bringing services into the conversation would highlight that there isn't a trade imbalance. But then I'm not trying to guess what trump might do with any given input.

nixass 6mo ago

> yet Best time to start doing it was yesterday. Second best time to start doing it now. They are at "now" step.