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Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving
by llarsson 6mo ago
Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?
- orochimaaru 6mo agoWhy haven’t they done it yet? I just think they’re incentivized enough for it.
- sph 6mo agoBecause until literally a year ago, the country that hosted Microsoft was one of France's most trusted allies. It takes time to find a suitable replacement to a global monopoly.
- orochimaaru 6mo agoNot really. I mean Trump has amped the rhetoric, but there have been no new laws passed. The privacy threats were always there.
- pjc50 6mo agoLaw is irrelevant under the power of the gun; it was the threat to invade Greenland and the threat to leave NATO which have triggered this. (people keep saying things like "only Congress has the power to declare war"; that may be technically true, but a war declaration is a piece of paper, and practically the authorization of force is at the personal disposition of the President)
- bootsmann 6mo agoNot everything makes US news but the decision by Microsoft to shut down ICC accounts after a Trump EO on sanctions really spooked a lot of EU governments.
- bulbar 6mo agoThere were general and abstract privacy threats. The current US administration however has managed to alienate the EU population as well as EU politicians. Trump has basically ended the alliance between the western world and the US and everybody has started to built around that fact. Just one example is that the EU has finalized multiple huge trade contracts, some were in the making for decades. I don't think the next US administration - if the US remains a democracy - will be able to fix that. The US lately has been very vocal that they don't want to be the center of the western world anymore and the western world got the message. Reorganizing the post-WWII world order will take some time, of course, but I feel like the world is proceeding quite fast.
- pulse7 6mo agoIt looks like the president - which was a businessman - will make a huge damage to American IT businesses. And IT stocks dominate the S&P 500, comprising roughly 1/3 of the index's total market capitalization... Good luck America!
- gunsle 6mo ago[flagged]
- sph 6mo agoYou know about Europe from Reddit subs. I know about Europe because that's where I live. We are not the same.
- benj111 6mo agoSorry I thought it was the president of the US that imposed tariffs, threatened to invade Canada and Greenland, wanted to remove all Gazans from Gaza, etc, etc. not some random Reddit poster. My mistake.
- dwedge 6mo agoOne eu country or another has been talking about this for at least a decade. Nothing will happen this time either, or we'll get another of those things like the weird owncloud knock off that is totally developed by the EU
- benj111 6mo agoOn the other hand in 2018 Europe managed to sort out LNG etc pretty quick. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been louder and faster after the tariffs came in, but we've already had investigation after investigation into monopoly practices, the EU is working on domestic payment processing. So the political will is there. I assume they're just quietly getting on with sorting it out.
- bulbar 6mo agoExactly. They know there's nothing to win by being vocal about it. But it's obvious that there has been a general shift within all of EU.
- benj111 6mo agoIs slightly disagree. Trump brought in the tariffs based on trade imbalances. Bringing services into the conversation would highlight that there isn't a trade imbalance. But then I'm not trying to guess what trump might do with any given input.
- nixass 6mo ago> yet Best time to start doing it was yesterday. Second best time to start doing it now. They are at "now" step.
- ethbr1 6mo ago> Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open You'd get a clusterfuck of a consensus spec, then they'd all get pissed off and develop their own incompatible versions anyway? Have you seen international projects without strong, centralized leadership?
- kakacik 6mo agoI have worked on things like PSD2, a well oiled government-led machine that just works. There are some dysfunctional things, then there are things working perfectly fine. You need to update your notes its not 90s.
- ethbr1 6mo agoCredit where credit is due, I think the strong centralization of the EU administration has made for better pan-European requirements and software. Sometimes the perfectness of the product is less important than the fact that there was one opinionated decider.
- everdrive 6mo agoThey'll start pulling Linux in a direction that suites them, which will potentially be at odds with the preferences of open source software enthusiasts.
- dbdr 6mo agoThey might have an effect in the development of an office suite, possibly of a desktop environment or one specialized Linux distribution. Nobody will be forced to use those specific ones if they don't like them. There are plenty of options in the Linux world.
- JustFinishedBSG 6mo agoMost of the cost (to the government) for Windows is "support" (in a very general sense) and that cost isn't disappearing with Linux. Especially since it is easier to find badly underpaid (and not particularly competent) Windows sysadmins than it is to find badly underpaid Linux admins.
- fao_ 6mo agoOk but the license fees are, what, 50 quid? times say, 3k or 30k people? A 150k or 1.5m injection into the linux ecosystem to develop those would pay for a _lot_ of developers and a _lot_ of developer time.
- skavi 6mo agodoesn’t really feel like that much tbh
- repelsteeltje 6mo agoFrom what I heard about NGI-zero, another government sponsorship project (1), the problem so far is primarily finding the projects that need sponsorship. (1) https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/ https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/
- pabs3 6mo agoThat doesn't seem correct. Almost all of the projects installed on a standard Linux distro need funding. I just stopped applying to NLnet after getting nothing but rejections.
- dbolgheroni 6mo agoI don't think that cost is what is mostly driving the move from Windows nowadays.
- Zetaphor 6mo agoAre you implying that need for support would go away? If anything the demand would be artificially high at the start of a mass migration, and then presumably level out to something similar to what we see today with Windows. This is basically RHEL's entire business model.
- mytailorisrich 6mo agoIf governments, especially France, get involved in software development the likely outcome is that people will soon regret the days of Microsoft...
- giglamesh 6mo agoThe so called free market really did a bang up job didn't it? The proprietary buggy mess of Windows and the walled garden of MacOS which given its *nix underpinnings could have been really fantastically awesome but instead is a proprietary buggy mess.