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"Don't buy their stuff" is exactly the right answer. You need to do your research before you buy big ticket items. It may not be true in every sector, but Dee
by laughing_man 7mo ago
"Don't buy their stuff" is exactly the right answer. You need to do your research before you buy big ticket items. It may not be true in every sector, but Deere has plenty of competition.
- enaaem 7mo agoHow can you do research without victims complaining?
- laughing_man 7mo agoWhy wouldn't victims complain?
- OKRainbowKid 7mo agoBecause when they do, they receive snide remarks like "just don't buy their stuff then".
- laughing_man 7mo agoNobody is saying you can't relate your experience with this equipment. What we're saying is consumer action is enough to solve this problem. It just takes some time. There's a certain type of customer that wants the dealer to handle parts and repair. But those guys aren't the lawn mower segment.
- not_kurt_godel 7mo ago> What we're saying is consumer action is enough to solve this problem. Citation needed
- scheeseman486 7mo agoMight be hard for them to do that given this lawsuit is hard proof that it isn't true.
- laughing_man 7mo agoIs it? You've never been to a grocery store?
- not_kurt_godel 7mo agoI have not been to a grocery store that sells "Deere-brand Large Ag Equipment"[0] - aka $200k-1M John Deere tractors/harvesters/combines - that are the subject of the settlement. Have you? [0]: https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resources/pdfs/gov.uscourts.ilnd.415798.333.1.pdf https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resources/pdfs/gov.uscourts.i...
- laughing_man 7mo agoMy point is "competition works".
- scheeseman486 7mo agoYou're posting in a thread discussing news of a legal outcome that showed that free market competition did not prevent anti-competitive practices and instead required legal/regulatory intervention to solve.
- laughing_man 7mo agoTo say that these are "anti-competitive practices" is stretching the phrase beyond all meaning. If you don't like Deere's policies, you can always buy from Case IH or New Holland. There is plenty of competition in farm equipment.
- not_kurt_godel 7mo agoMost can't "always" immediately replace an incredibly expensive business asset that is only retroactively discovered to have been sold under deceptive terms. The free market works well in many instances, but it needs checks to ensure that it remains truly free and not captured by fraudulent actors that harm consumers and society at large.
- alpaca128 7mo agoDo you seriously expect other companies not following suit? People need lawnmowers, so this can quickly turn into the same situation we have with the inkjet printer market.
- laughing_man 7mo agoYes, I expect that. Low sales will concentrate the mind.
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- M95D 7mo agoNo, that's not the answer. It only applies to those people who have time and energy to spare to do that reasearch. I'm not talking just farming equipment, but ordinary items such as a vacuum cleaner or printer. If you're low income, work 2 jobs, single parent, get home at 23:00 broken tired, want a meal but your fridge just broke down and everything is spoiled inside, you don't spend 2 more hours doing reasearch. You clean it, go to bed hungry, call repair in the morning (optional, if your hopes are high), and when they tell you it's not repairable, you get the first new fridge you can afford in a 10 min online search while on the bus/train/tram being late to work. Reasearch, self-repair, is for wealthy people.
- laughing_man 7mo agoIt takes twenty minutes to figure out what other people are saying about a product. And even if you don't have time to do research, you develop a feeling for brands over time. I would never buy a lawn mower from Deere, not because this or that lawnmower is a known bad item, but because the company has had a bad reputation for decades. A tractor can be almost a million dollar item now, and nobody spending a million dollars should be doing so without doing some research.
- Dead_Lemon 7mo agoSelf-repair is an average day on a farm. A farmer that does not research equipment they about to purchase, especially before spending a small fortune, is a fool. That's like saying you don't bother learning what illnesses your animals or crops may contract, and how to prevent/cure them, because you're not wealthy. Buying a book and reading it, to the improve your abilities, is time well spent. Most maintenance on a tractor is not major, and require basic skill and parts. It's the companies that don't want this, they want specialized technicians to come out to replace an oil filter. I have a 30 year old vacuum cleaner, which I continue to maintain, which mostly amounts to stripping it once every 10 years and cleaning out all the filters that caked up with fine dust. Definitely cheaper to strip it myself one evening, than to pay someone to do it, or purchase a new one. It is like an hour of work for years of service.
- brikym 7mo agoThis 100%. I live rural and my water pump broke. No water means no showers, no dishwasher, no washing machine, and everyone in the family being uncomfortable. Realistically you get whatever the plumbing place has in stock and knows how to install - even if it's not technically the best one for the site.
- gambiting 7mo agoPlease tell us - if you were buying one of these, would you specifically research how the fuel gauge works? Be honest.
- laughing_man 7mo agoOf course not. But I would definitely find out what kind of problems people are having.
- WithinReason 7mo agoSo the customer is 100% to blame then?