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Don’t comment if you don’t want to actually contribute. How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. What if they’re the only provi
by snowe2010 6mo ago
Don’t comment if you don’t want to actually contribute. How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. What if they’re the only provider in their region? There’s a billion reasons why your comment doesn’t contribute.
- linuxftw 6mo agoJohn Deere has had a terrible reputation for over a decade now. They've always used proprietary parts for the tractors. Do 5 minutes of research.
- laughing_man 6mo ago"Don't buy their stuff" is exactly the right answer. You need to do your research before you buy big ticket items. It may not be true in every sector, but Deere has plenty of competition.
- enaaem 6mo agoHow can you do research without victims complaining?
- laughing_man 6mo agoWhy wouldn't victims complain?
- OKRainbowKid 6mo agoBecause when they do, they receive snide remarks like "just don't buy their stuff then".
- laughing_man 6mo agoNobody is saying you can't relate your experience with this equipment. What we're saying is consumer action is enough to solve this problem. It just takes some time. There's a certain type of customer that wants the dealer to handle parts and repair. But those guys aren't the lawn mower segment.
- not_kurt_godel 6mo ago> What we're saying is consumer action is enough to solve this problem. Citation needed
- scheeseman486 6mo agoMight be hard for them to do that given this lawsuit is hard proof that it isn't true.
- laughing_man 6mo agoIs it? You've never been to a grocery store?
- not_kurt_godel 6mo agoI have not been to a grocery store that sells "Deere-brand Large Ag Equipment"[0] - aka $200k-1M John Deere tractors/harvesters/combines - that are the subject of the settlement. Have you? [0]: https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resources/pdfs/gov.uscourts.ilnd.415798.333.1.pdf https://www.agri-pulse.com/ext/resources/pdfs/gov.uscourts.i...
- laughing_man 6mo agoMy point is "competition works".
- scheeseman486 6mo agoYou're posting in a thread discussing news of a legal outcome that showed that free market competition did not prevent anti-competitive practices and instead required legal/regulatory intervention to solve.
- laughing_man 6mo agoTo say that these are "anti-competitive practices" is stretching the phrase beyond all meaning. If you don't like Deere's policies, you can always buy from Case IH or New Holland. There is plenty of competition in farm equipment.
- alpaca128 6mo agoDo you seriously expect other companies not following suit? People need lawnmowers, so this can quickly turn into the same situation we have with the inkjet printer market.
- laughing_man 6mo agoYes, I expect that. Low sales will concentrate the mind.
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- M95D 6mo agoNo, that's not the answer. It only applies to those people who have time and energy to spare to do that reasearch. I'm not talking just farming equipment, but ordinary items such as a vacuum cleaner or printer. If you're low income, work 2 jobs, single parent, get home at 23:00 broken tired, want a meal but your fridge just broke down and everything is spoiled inside, you don't spend 2 more hours doing reasearch. You clean it, go to bed hungry, call repair in the morning (optional, if your hopes are high), and when they tell you it's not repairable, you get the first new fridge you can afford in a 10 min online search while on the bus/train/tram being late to work. Reasearch, self-repair, is for wealthy people.
- laughing_man 6mo agoIt takes twenty minutes to figure out what other people are saying about a product. And even if you don't have time to do research, you develop a feeling for brands over time. I would never buy a lawn mower from Deere, not because this or that lawnmower is a known bad item, but because the company has had a bad reputation for decades. A tractor can be almost a million dollar item now, and nobody spending a million dollars should be doing so without doing some research.
- Dead_Lemon 6mo agoSelf-repair is an average day on a farm. A farmer that does not research equipment they about to purchase, especially before spending a small fortune, is a fool. That's like saying you don't bother learning what illnesses your animals or crops may contract, and how to prevent/cure them, because you're not wealthy. Buying a book and reading it, to the improve your abilities, is time well spent. Most maintenance on a tractor is not major, and require basic skill and parts. It's the companies that don't want this, they want specialized technicians to come out to replace an oil filter. I have a 30 year old vacuum cleaner, which I continue to maintain, which mostly amounts to stripping it once every 10 years and cleaning out all the filters that caked up with fine dust. Definitely cheaper to strip it myself one evening, than to pay someone to do it, or purchase a new one. It is like an hour of work for years of service.
- brikym 6mo agoThis 100%. I live rural and my water pump broke. No water means no showers, no dishwasher, no washing machine, and everyone in the family being uncomfortable. Realistically you get whatever the plumbing place has in stock and knows how to install - even if it's not technically the best one for the site.
- gambiting 6mo agoPlease tell us - if you were buying one of these, would you specifically research how the fuel gauge works? Be honest.
- laughing_man 6mo agoOf course not. But I would definitely find out what kind of problems people are having.
- WithinReason 6mo agoSo the customer is 100% to blame then?
- edm0nd 6mo agobruh dont sweat it. mainly everyone here is SF tech bros who have never worked a hard day in their life lol
- charcircuit 6mo ago>How are people supposed to know these things before buying the equipment. By looking at reviews or paying someone to evaluate the product. >What if they’re the only provider in their region Then there is an opportunity for competition. Or you can import a product from another region.
- prawn 6mo agoAll great in theory, but in importing farm machinery, you need to take into account servicing options and warranty claims. Would be painful if you need to truck a harvester or even mower interstate for a warranty claim. And it's not like these things are always available from a source with reviews. Reviews for new models are less likely to cover repair-access issues that will arise in a few years' time.
- kstrauser 6mo agoAs an outsider, that’s literally what I’m doing: paying attention to the reviews. And some people are telling the reviewer to shut up and quit whining, thus encouraging them not to leave the review that I want to be reading. Make up your mind. Do you want people to read and write reviews, or don’t you?
- choilive 6mo agoWell.. farming equipment are high 6 figures 7 pieces of business equipment (the lifetime operating costs are definitely in the 7 figures.) These are owned and operated by people who I would expect to do this type of research and critical thinking. These aren't normie consumers buying everyday appliances or electronics. However.. farmers are a weird bunch and they are blinded by brand loyalty or will only buy from an "American" company which ironically allowed JD to stomp all over them because of their dominant market position.
- M95D 6mo agoI'm no farmer, but brand loyalty might have practical reasons, such as compatibility with attached farming equipment (plows?).
- universa1 6mo agoThe attachment mechanism is usually standardized, so you can just switch between brands. Nowadays a larger factor might be how close the next dealership/repair shop is. Some things are time critical, and when it breaks in this time, then you don't want to drive hours to have it fixed/get a part/ have a mechanic available. There are some differences between the brands... And you can always be Clarkson and get a Lamborghini, even when it makes no sense ;-)
- Markoff 6mo agodo your research before buying, they have this reputation ofr many years it's like complaining about HP ink printer everyone was warning about for last 10-15 years at least same should apply to Samsung TVs at least in the last 5-10 years