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This would have been an amazing release 6 months ago. But the industry moves so fast, this is a trite release. Maybe it’s best for Meta to sell their superintel
by gallerdude 6mo ago
This would have been an amazing release 6 months ago. But the industry moves so fast, this is a trite release. Maybe it’s best for Meta to sell their superintelligence division. I don’t think Zuck’s vision is particularly compelling.
- gordonhart 6mo agoA new model comparable (ish) to the Claude/Gemini/GPT flagships is a big deal for the industry and for Meta even if it doesn't set the new frontier.
- zozbot234 6mo agoTheir new Contemplating mode gives this model a Deep Research ability (akin to existing models from GPT and Gemini) that might make it quite comparable to the just-announced Mythos.
- solenoid0937 6mo agoMythos is a much bigger pre train, Contemplating is not the same thing.
- zozbot234 6mo ago> Mythos is a much bigger pre train Do we have data to substantiate that claim?
- solenoid0937 6mo agoIt's pretty common knowledge. Spud is the only other PT comparable with Mythos. Both Spud and Mythos can also scale via inference time compute. Meta simply did not have enough compute online, long enough ago, to have a similar PT.
- temp_praneshp 6mo ago> might make it quite comparable to the just-announced Mythos Do we have data to substantiate that claim?
- gallerdude 6mo agoI’m not sure. If it was open source, certainly. But 4th place doesn’t really matter if you have nothing different to add.
- datadrivenangel 6mo agoFourth place means you're not reliant on any of the external providers for internal AI use, which is important for organizational health and negotiating with those other providers.
- rubyn00bie 6mo agoI’m not sure it’s useful for negotiating, the capex to build it was surely orders of magnitude more than it would cost to just use one of the other frontier models. It’s like someone negotiating by saying, “I’ll waste even MORE money to build something worse if you don’t give me a deal.” I’m not discounting there may be other advantages to doing it. I just don’t think negotiating is one.
- lairv 6mo agoIf the model is truly on par with Opus 4.6/Gemini 3.1/GPT 5.4 (beyond benchmarks) this still puts MSL in the frontier lab category, which is no small feat given that they pretty much rebooted last year Many labs aren't able to keep up with the frontier, xAI, Mistral
- blahblaher 6mo agoWhy would you use this instead of the other more proven models? Unless it's significantly cheaper. The general population mostly wants it free, and the more professional users are willing to pay for good/better responses.
- NitpickLawyer 6mo agoYou wouldn't use this as an API. You would "use" this inside the meta properties. Have a shop on fb marketplace? Now you have copy, images, support, chat, translations, erp, esp, fps and all the other acronyms :) and so on for your mom and pop shop @200$/mo. Probably worse than say claude/gemini but it's right there, one button away. "Click here to upgrade to AI++" or something.
- gallerdude 6mo agoBut rolling your own can’t be that much cheaper than buying it from a leading lab. Especially when you consider the amount of spending on datacenters.
- hnav 6mo agoleading labs are going to be tightening the screws. Otherwise why not just run the entire company on a public cloud?
- gordonhart 6mo agoI won't use it, but I'm excited to see it for the same reason why I'm excited to see a near-frontier open-source release: more competition pushes prices down and reduces monopoly/cartel risk. I won't use Muse or Grok or GLM at this point but they're good for the ecosystem.
- dgellow 6mo agoI never understood why meta decided to join the race. They don’t sell compute like Google or Microsoft. Why not let others do the hard work and integrate their LLMs in your systems if needed? I assume it’s because they have Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Thread data and feel they should be the ones using them for training, but it’s really not obvious how having a frontier AI lab benefits their business
- zeroonetwothree 6mo agoBut then how will Zuck win the billionaire dick measuring contest?
- gallerdude 6mo agoI’m sure there’s more to it than this, but it feels like Zuck has pet interests like VR and now AI.
- alex1138 6mo agoBut no account support, that's boring Or any quality control (people missing posts) Or banning the people who should be banned while leaving everyone else alone This is Zuck: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10791198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10791198
- yoz-y 6mo agoAI NPCs to fill in the empty Metaverse?
- awestroke 6mo agoBecause Zuck has chronic FOMO, he's said as much himself
- chairmansteve 6mo agoPumps up the stock price.
- xnx 6mo ago
- throwaw12 6mo ago> I don’t think Zuck’s vision is particularly compelling. But he has to do it anyways, otherwise Meta can be disrupted easily. Google, Apple has hardware, distribution channels for their products Amazon has the marketplace and cloud Microsoft has enterprise and cloud Meta is always looking for ways to stay afloat