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This is like all the usual anti-LLM talking points and sentiments fused together. Doesn't it get boring? I like using these models a lot more than I stand hea

This is like all the usual anti-LLM talking points and sentiments fused together. Doesn't it get boring? I like using these models a lot more than I stand hearing people talk about them, pro or contra. Just slop about slop. And the discussions being artisanal slop really doesn't make them any better. Every time I hear some variation of bullshitting or plagiarizing machines, my eyes roll over. Do these people think they're actually onto something? I've been seeing these talking points for literal years. For people who complain about no original thoughts, these sure are some tired ones.

masfuerte 7mo ago
Why do you insist on reading and commenting on these articles that bore you so much?
- stavros 7mo ago
  Because saying "this is boring, let's stop talking about it" is an opinion worthwhile of expression.
  - hackable_sand 7mo ago
    Oppressors don't like people talking about their oppression Go figure
- perching_aix 7mo ago
  Oh I don't know, maybe because I like to give dissenting takes a chance? Because from time to time they do make some new, decent points, or at least interesting ones? You know, basic intellectual rigor? Do you imagine me being a clairvoyant by the way, or how do you expect me to know a post is of low quality before I read it or at least skim it? This one ended up being a part of the vast majority that doesn't offer much of anything. It's a redundant rehash of all the usual rubbish anyone can come across any day. Left a comment about this stating so. Big deal.
giraffe_lady 7mo ago
"These arguments may be correct but they aren't novel" ??
- simianwords 7mo ago
  I don't think calling AI a bullshit machine is correct. In spirit.
  - giraffe_lady 7mo ago
    Oh, well you should have said that then.
    - perching_aix 7mo ago
      You're talking to a different person there, but I do obviously also disagree with a lot of what's written in the post too. At the same time, it is also just super redundant nevertheless, yes. Not sure why you find it so bizarre that one would take an issue with that. See also the very existence of the website called TV-Tropes.
  - camgunz 7mo ago
    I'm earnestly curious why not.
    - simianwords 7mo ago
      Can you try to get a question that fits in 2-3 pages (text only) and test whether ChatGPT bullshits? I can’t do it. It gets pretty much everything. Edit: I forgot to mention thinking version - I did this for all the other times I asked in this thread but not this one. Apologies.
      - camgunz 7mo ago
        "Hey ChatGPT. How would you describe me?" https://chatgpt.com/share/69d69780-ae58-83e8-a41c-7d10a5f29841 https://chatgpt.com/share/69d69780-ae58-83e8-a41c-7d10a5f298... It has no conversations and no memory of me. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but there's no basis for it.
simianwords 7mo ago
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- perching_aix 7mo ago
  My personal red flag for this is the scare quoting of AI, and the super try-hard categorization work that people perform to try and discredit LLMs. It takes approximately 1 min to find out that machine learning is a subfield of artificial intelligence, both having existed for about half a century now. This basic historical fact is also taught on AI 101 courses across the globe for compsci students. Yet here we are, people portraying it as some sort of cheap sales trick. Reminds me when I discussed quantum dots with a friend, which he was very enthusiastic to quickly file under "yet another bullshit with quantum in its name" before finally taking the time to understand that the "quantum" bit is not a marketing gimmick. Except in this case, people are a million times more inclined to willfully propagate this. Genuinely so tiresome.
  - simianwords 7mo ago
    I think it’s just anxiety because to internalise that it is actually so good is a bit hard for some
stavros 7mo ago
Yeah, it gets really boring. Whenever I see "slot machines" or "bullshit machines" or whatever, I just ignore the comment and move on, because it signals that it's someone in such deep denial that they've turned their brain off. I'd much rather read articles about what LLMs can/can't do, or stuff people have built with LLMs, than read how everything LLMs touch turns to shit.
camgunz 7mo ago
If I have to suffer "look at this busted ass thing I slopped out with AI" a few times a week, you all have to suffer grouchy "AI bad" a few times a week. Fair is fair.
- perching_aix 7mo ago
  Just this week I was baited into joining two meetings about "AI good". Absolutely zero substance throughout each, of course. They somehow managed to stretch out like 3 sentences worth of sentiment to a whole hour, interspersing brainwash about how good AI is along the way. It was like watching someone try to hit a word limit in real time. They always made it feel like we're just about to hit a substantive bit too, only for that to never come. It may be fair (to the sentiments) in that there's balance, but good lord, the end result is incessant all around (and thus unfair to the people exposed).

masfuerte 7mo ago

Why do you insist on reading and commenting on these articles that bore you so much?

stavros 7mo ago
Because saying "this is boring, let's stop talking about it" is an opinion worthwhile of expression.
- hackable_sand 7mo ago
  Oppressors don't like people talking about their oppression Go figure
perching_aix 7mo ago
Oh I don't know, maybe because I like to give dissenting takes a chance? Because from time to time they do make some new, decent points, or at least interesting ones? You know, basic intellectual rigor? Do you imagine me being a clairvoyant by the way, or how do you expect me to know a post is of low quality before I read it or at least skim it? This one ended up being a part of the vast majority that doesn't offer much of anything. It's a redundant rehash of all the usual rubbish anyone can come across any day. Left a comment about this stating so. Big deal.

giraffe_lady 7mo ago

"These arguments may be correct but they aren't novel" ??

simianwords 7mo ago
I don't think calling AI a bullshit machine is correct. In spirit.
- giraffe_lady 7mo ago
  Oh, well you should have said that then.
  - perching_aix 7mo ago
    You're talking to a different person there, but I do obviously also disagree with a lot of what's written in the post too. At the same time, it is also just super redundant nevertheless, yes. Not sure why you find it so bizarre that one would take an issue with that. See also the very existence of the website called TV-Tropes.
- camgunz 7mo ago
  I'm earnestly curious why not.
  - simianwords 7mo ago
    Can you try to get a question that fits in 2-3 pages (text only) and test whether ChatGPT bullshits? I can’t do it. It gets pretty much everything. Edit: I forgot to mention thinking version - I did this for all the other times I asked in this thread but not this one. Apologies.
    - camgunz 7mo ago
      "Hey ChatGPT. How would you describe me?" https://chatgpt.com/share/69d69780-ae58-83e8-a41c-7d10a5f29841 https://chatgpt.com/share/69d69780-ae58-83e8-a41c-7d10a5f298... It has no conversations and no memory of me. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but there's no basis for it.

simianwords 7mo ago

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perching_aix 7mo ago
My personal red flag for this is the scare quoting of AI, and the super try-hard categorization work that people perform to try and discredit LLMs. It takes approximately 1 min to find out that machine learning is a subfield of artificial intelligence, both having existed for about half a century now. This basic historical fact is also taught on AI 101 courses across the globe for compsci students. Yet here we are, people portraying it as some sort of cheap sales trick. Reminds me when I discussed quantum dots with a friend, which he was very enthusiastic to quickly file under "yet another bullshit with quantum in its name" before finally taking the time to understand that the "quantum" bit is not a marketing gimmick. Except in this case, people are a million times more inclined to willfully propagate this. Genuinely so tiresome.
- simianwords 7mo ago
  I think it’s just anxiety because to internalise that it is actually so good is a bit hard for some

stavros 7mo ago

Yeah, it gets really boring. Whenever I see "slot machines" or "bullshit machines" or whatever, I just ignore the comment and move on, because it signals that it's someone in such deep denial that they've turned their brain off. I'd much rather read articles about what LLMs can/can't do, or stuff people have built with LLMs, than read how everything LLMs touch turns to shit.

camgunz 7mo ago

If I have to suffer "look at this busted ass thing I slopped out with AI" a few times a week, you all have to suffer grouchy "AI bad" a few times a week. Fair is fair.

perching_aix 7mo ago
Just this week I was baited into joining two meetings about "AI good". Absolutely zero substance throughout each, of course. They somehow managed to stretch out like 3 sentences worth of sentiment to a whole hour, interspersing brainwash about how good AI is along the way. It was like watching someone try to hit a word limit in real time. They always made it feel like we're just about to hit a substantive bit too, only for that to never come. It may be fair (to the sentiments) in that there's balance, but good lord, the end result is incessant all around (and thus unfair to the people exposed).