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US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology
- lenerdenator 7mo agoIt really is amazing how they managed to fit so much copper into those devices.
- therobots927 7mo agoWould be a shame if it became common knowledge.
- JuniperMesos 7mo agoPeople stealing copper from public infrastructure in public spaces is exactly the sort of serious quality-of-life crime that I want something like Flock cameras to deter.
- lenerdenator 7mo agoThere's really no stopping a guy from stealing scrap metal if he thinks it'll pay for his next fix. It's like when you try to keep something from being taken by bolting it down and they just come in and steal the bolts too. Some of that's just a part of life.
- JuniperMesos 7mo agoThe ostensible purpose of the criminal justice system is to stop guys from stealing scrap metal obtained by vandalizing public structures in order to buy drugs. Perhaps by arresting them and locking them in a building with armed guards so they can't vandalize and steal things and also can't get drugs anyway. Insofar as the actual criminal justice system is doing a bad job with this, I want it to do a better job - which may entail "use more public security cameras to detect copper thieves" - and not just accept that pieces of infrastructure in public places might get vandalized and stolen by drug addicts.
- lenerdenator 7mo agoIt'd be nice to live in a world where the criminal justice system used technologies like these to help prevent theft and vandalism. And to a certain extent, in our reality, they do. The problem comes from the fact that these technologies also enable surveillance at a massive scale, and that we have a long history (not only as a country, but as a species) of people abusing these technologies for human rights violations. When you have the likes of Donald Trump in charge of the country's law enforcement, and he's routinely working with the likes of Larry Ellison and Peter Thiel, all without consequences for the human rights abuses, well, you just can't have things like this. When children use a toy to misbehave, you take the toy away, and that's essentially what's happening here. Now, if we were to have an actual national dialogue about these abuses and the responsible parties started suffering consequences for their actions, I'd be more open to the use of these tools. But we haven't and likely won't, so...
- JuniperMesos 6mo agoIf you're comfortable taking on the role of a parent disciplining their child and imposing consequences on misbehaving children, then why not be comfortable with taking on that role against drug addicts stealing copper? The inability to have a copper item out in public because a thief would vandalize and steal it is as much a human rights abuse as being falsely accused of stealing copper by the cops because of public surveillance footage (or whatever specific eventuality you're worried as a result of surveillance cameras existing). Is it a different constitutional framework of laws, a different criminal justice system, that detects and punishes the drug-addicted copper-thief and the corrupt law enforcement official?
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- Dezvous 7mo agoIt's quite ironic to get an amazon ring video ad while viewing this article.
- therobots927 7mo agoRing is just as bad. Arguably worse because it comes with a convenience / personal security factor.
- therealdrag0 7mo agoWhy is it just as bad?
- elphinstone 7mo agoAn obnoxious, autoplay-at-full-volume ad that took the page an extra 30 seconds to load and somehow bypassed firefox adblockers...
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- radiorental 7mo agoFirefox 149 + ublock origin did not display ads for me
- Dezvous 7mo agoI'm also on firefox 149 with ublock origin. Probably just need to enable some more filters.
- josefritzishere 7mo agoFunny that. Not everyone wants to live in an open air prison.
- jmuguy 7mo agoI'm surprised Garrett Langley still has a job, he seems wildly out of touch. For instance he really believes that his Panopticon as a service is the reason crime is down in cities, conveniently ignoring crime rates prior to COVID.
- therobots927 7mo agoHe won’t for long. The backlash is just getting started. Left or right, no one wants their whereabouts subject to constant surveillance. His only advantage is that the cops are on his side and won’t let go of these cameras without a fight.
- mlinhares 7mo agoNah, he's just missing a good PR campaign, there's a 30% of the population that will eat whatever their supreme leaders say they should, I'm sure they can sanewash these cameras as well.
- therobots927 7mo agoAmerica is pretty polarized around privacy as demonstrated by reactions to the Snowden leaks. So I think that’s a fair point.
- jdross 7mo agoI realize how unpopular flock is, and I will first say that I have literally never personally looked into the privacy concerns. But one city you don’t see named here is SF, which has cited Flock as a primary driver of its 10x reduction in car break-ins, and 30% reduction in burglaries. Those were a quality of life plague while I lived there
- ceejayoz 7mo agoCrime's been descending from the COVID blip for a while, everywhere, Flock or otherwise. My city saw zero murders in Q1; 2021 saw ~15 by now. In other words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw
- whimsicalism 7mo agoit's clearly not a covid effect https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/ https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/
- ceejayoz 7mo agoThe spike in your link's chart clearly starts in early 2020. And "While our data extends only to 2018" is... important, yeah?
- whimsicalism 7mo agoi encourage other people reading to look at the chart so they can assess the veracity of ^ comment
- ceejayoz 7mo agoHere it is. https://imgur.com/a/FK3sfna https://imgur.com/a/FK3sfna There's an enormous drop in edit: late 2019, and the second drop starts in 2023. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/policies/department-bulletins-notices/24-052 https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/policies/depart... > Starting on March 19, 2024, Flock Safety began installing ALPR cameras in various strategic locations across San Francisco. This rollout is expected to take place over the next 90 days. Per 19B ALPR policy, the administration of the Flock ALPR system is the responsibility of the Investigations Bureau. How did the Flock cameras cause two crime drops before their installation? The article's note about 2018 is talking about extending backwards, not forwards. It's entirely accurate, and a direct quote from your link.
- phendrenad2 7mo agoIt's funny, if the company had just sold cameras to cities, they probably could have avoided this whole mess. But they just had to hit some keywords for Wall Street (like "AI" "cloud" and "SaaS"), which had the side-effect of making it appear (true or not) that they were part of a Palantir-style surveillance panopticon that tracks you everywhere.
- alex43578 7mo agoA big part of the value is the network: track a stolen a car or a suspect in the next town over or across the country.
- cucumber3732842 7mo agoAnd they will either quietly rebrand and build it or someone else will. Government loves the product. What it doesn't like about Flock is that the peasants are aware about it and complaining.
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- phendrenad2 7mo agoIf the only content of your post is sarcasm, please stick to Reddit. We like to stick to facts and reality here. The sky is blue. See? I posted a fact. My comment is fully valid and you can't say anything about it. Oh? It's irrelevant to the topic? It may be too subtle for you, but I was actually making the point that the surveillance panopticon theory was mostly triggered by the fact that Flock is cloud-based. I'm basically making a distinction between a hypothetical non-cloud Flock vs cloud-Flock. And it may be too complex a concept, but ex-lovers, union organizers, and journlists could use whatever camera-based ALPR existed, even if it wasn't cloud-based. Making your comment irrelevant. Thank you for it though.
- e2le 7mo agoFor those unfamiliar, you can read more about the flock safety cameras themselves here: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_license_plate_readers https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_license_plate_readers And more about the company behind the cameras: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_Safety https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_Safety
- gosub100 7mo agoSomeone in my hometown was arrested for vandalizing them. The media chose to say "city owned security camera". It's amazing how they will rush to defend private enterprise.
- Zigurd 7mo agoLegacy local news is highly dependent on the police for content and access. No surprise.
- knowaveragejoe 7mo agoMore likely: the local news reporter doesn't know the difference, or didn't think there was a difference.
- anthonypasq 7mo agothe alternative is to not punish vandalism? what are you even saying?
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- hackable_sand 7mo agoIt's unfortunate they got caught. It is nice to be reminded that every community has people willing to fight for freedom though.
- gorgonical 7mo agoMusician-turning-tech anarchist (?) Benn Jordan is making a very interesting series of videos about Flock cameras, their poor safety, and their gray-area interfacing with local governments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIwNiwQewQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIwNiwQewQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ I recommend them.
- boriskourt 7mo agoSuper worth a watch. Lots of technical tidbits also.
- waNpyt-menrew 7mo agoSomeone complaining about local governments having data while directing them to YouTube, whose owner does surveillance at a scale far exceeding all local governments of all countries combined, is ironic. Why don’t these people use Peertube at least. Fact of the matter is they’d like to personally profit off the same nonsense they complain about. This person has a million subscribers, they aren’t some random whistleblower. It’s a job, like all media, generating outrage. If all of them used peertube maybe we’d have a solid competitor.
- puppykito 7mo ago??? It is very clearly because YouTube has a higher reach than any other platform in that space.
- ceejayoz 7mo agohttps://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...
- komali2 7mo agoDuring the KMT military dictatorship in Taiwan, the KMT used the radio to spread its anti-democratic propaganda and disparage pro-democracy activists. Activists meanwhile spread their messages via pirate radio.
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- macintux 7mo agoCrime would go down if everyone was executed. Your question is not the only one that matters.
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- hrimfaxi 7mo agoNo it's not. Would crime go up, down, or stay the same if we had to get strip searched before entering airplanes?
- waNpyt-menrew 7mo agoThe types of crime that would happen in an airplane would already be identifiable due to its constrained cabin, so I don’t understand the comparison. Let’s use your example for say a concert. Is checking bags worth it? Would crime go up if there was no bag check? Why or why not?
- ceejayoz 7mo ago> Is checking bags worth it? Probably not. It's mostly there to preserve the profits from alcohol sales. > Would crime go up if there was no bag check? Did it go down when they added them?
- hrimfaxi 7mo agoMy point was if you are only looking at the reduction in crime as the sole success criterion we will all end up naked in glass cells because that would result in the lowest crime rates.
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- baggachipz 7mo agoI drove into a very affluent subdivision this weekend, and like most others around here it had a flock camera recording every car on the way in. This camera, however, had the gall to advertise its presence as a neighborhood security measure. "Flock Safety watches this neighborhood" read the sign on the post, or some such. Of course the residents there had no choice but to accept its installation, as the local police support it. Nefarious framing and marketing in the name of "safety".
- bradleyankrom 7mo agoI saw the same thing in a Home Depot parking lot yesterday. I guess I'm glad there's some sort of notice about it, even if its intent is more, I dunno, branding? It took me a while to figure out what all the solar panel + camera on a post installations were as they popped up around my town. I even pulled over to inspect the hardware for signs of ownership and didn't find anything.
- whimsicalism 7mo agowe enforce laws presumably in the name of safety, is this really nefarious framing or marketing? seems pretty straightforward to me.
- baggachipz 7mo agoIt is very clearly advertising on their part. They have been paid to put that thing there and added the sign to announce the presence. It's like when you get your roof replaced by a business and they ask if they can put a sign in your yard. They're not doing it to make everybody know that you're getting your roof replaced, they're advertising.
- bob1029 7mo ago> no choice but to accept its installation You might be shocked to discover there are subdivisions so affluent they can afford physical armed security and access control structures with far more invasive identification and logging procedures.
- AlBugdy 7mo agoNon-US citizens - what's the situation with cameras in public spaces where you live? In my town every 2nd hour or building entrance has a private camera pointed at the street. It's very depressing because the cops don't care - I've asked 2 in a patrol car when there was a mild case of vandalism I witnessed. Technically it's illegal, but nothing happens. The public cameras are on intersection and some bus stops. Too much, if you ask me, but the private cameras are everywhere.
- buzer 7mo agoPrivate cameras pointing to street can be lawful under GDPR, but in that case they are GDPR controller. That then requires them fulfill bunch of obligations which they probably aren't, e.g. giving proper Article 13 notice. I don't know if it's criminal in any EU country, but it would be something that you could complain to DPA about. Or initiate civil lawsuit against the controller. Worth noting is that in some cases the camera vendor might also be (joint) controller as they can determine means & purposes of the processing. If they are simply storing the video then it's unlikely, but if they for example use it for AI training that would likely bring them controller territory.
- boelboel 7mo agoIn London cameras are everywhere, mostly private and they have been for years. Don't think I've seen anything like it in any European city I've visited.
- alephnerd 7mo agoJapan is exporting it's AI-enhanced crime prediction platform across LatAm after successfully deploying it in Tokyo [0]. Japan is doing similar work to analyze financial transactions [1]. South Korea has also deployed a similar surveillance platform called Dejaview [2]. Even Finland has been deploying surveillance camera fusion centers [3] The brutal reality is everyone is doing this and there's nothing you can do about it. National Security trumps all other concerns (even the GDPR exempts governments who argue their data collection is done for National Security reasons), especially in a world as unstable as today. [0] - https://www.japan.go.jp/kizuna/2024/06/japans_ai-based_crime_prediction.html https://www.japan.go.jp/kizuna/2024/06/japans_ai-based_crime... [1] - https://www.tc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/en/ai1ec_event/10769/ https://www.tc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/en/ai1ec_event/10769/ [2] - https://m.blog.naver.com/mtnews_net/223775186368 https://m.blog.naver.com/mtnews_net/223775186368 [3] - https://poliisi.fi/en/camera-surveillance-system https://poliisi.fi/en/camera-surveillance-system
- mothballed 7mo agoOur city voted them out for awhile. So the feds just put them on every bit of federal property near roads, which ended up doing the exact same thing.
- loteck 7mo agoWhere is this?
- jcstryker 7mo agoAnd moving to the next vendor that hopefully does a better job of staying out of the public eye...
- maerF0x0 7mo agoAnd switches to Axon - https://denverite.com/2026/02/24/denver-ends-flock-contract-axon-alpr/ https://denverite.com/2026/02/24/denver-ends-flock-contract-... I have not done any research if that's out of the frying pan and into the fire or an improvement
- dfxm12 7mo agoPractically, axon cameras aren't nearly as ubiquitous as flock's, thus reducing the leo's dragnet capability. I'm sure the feds will successfully try to get access to this footage as well.
- chaps 7mo agoKind of. Motorola (axon) effectively acts as an integration system for flock and about 20 other services. Motorola's stuff is IMO the bigger problem because it includes access to flock.
- therealdrag0 7mo agoWhy did you put axon in parens after Motorola?
- chaps 6mo agoHonestly I'm not sure. I think I include them under the same umbrella because how often they work together, plus all the systems integration that they have together.
- citruscomputing 7mo agoIn Denver, they'll be expanding once they have budget. Also as soon as Axon finishes developing their integrations with civilian cameras into their Fusus product. They've also got natural-language queries in the pipeline ("find red trucks near here"), and they already have integration with the hundreds of existing non-ALPR LEO cameras. It's not better.
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- gegtik 7mo agoFunny they are just trying to get this started in Toronto
- HoldOnAMinute 7mo agoPerhaps this venture would have been more successful as a Public Benefit Corporation. In the USA in 2026, "capitalism", "politics", and "evil" have all become synonymous. Maybe I am naive, and the corruption is too deep and pervasive.
- diogenes_atx 7mo agoIt seems like this article buried the best lede of the story on paragraph ten, which explains Flock's new business of surveillance drones launched in response to 911 calls (and also presumably triggered by other alerts configured by police and private businesses). > Flock has recently expanded into other technologies... Most concerning are the latest Flock drones equipped with high-powered cameras. Flock's "Drone as First Responder" platform automates drone operations, including launching them in response to 911 calls or gunfire. Flock's drones, which reach speeds up to 60 mph, can follow vehicles or people and provide information to law enforcement.
- SoftTalker 7mo agoHunter-Killers not far behind.
- mystraline 7mo agoNor is the Butlerian Jihad.
- goatlover 7mo agoJust need a giant worm god to put us on the right path.
- mystraline 7mo ago"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Dune
- Forgeties79 7mo agoCode 8-style cop drone drops incoming
- jonas21 7mo agoThis is much less concerning to me than mass surveillance. If someone calls 911 and you need to send a first responder, why not send a drone to get there faster while a person is on their way?
- gnerd00 7mo agothis kind of headline might have some scholarly name, because, no... actually the number of cameras and feeds in the San Francisco Bay Area is multiplying rapidly, along with the entirety of California with few exceptions.. long ago, San Diego county, a military-led area, was the exception and to many pariah on the constant increase in tracking of vehicles, people and "events".. now, what used to be thought of as harsh and creepy, is not only matched in hardware, but exceeded in backend capacity, across almost every populated area
- iwontberude 7mo agoCongratulations EFF I know for a fact you’ve been working hard to get these removed.
- schlap 7mo agoThese companies build this tech in SF and Seattle, cities with some of the gnarliest public safety problems in the country, then turn around and sell it to smaller towns where it does more harm than good. Most places in America don't have problems that surveillance solves. They have problems they already know about and won't act on. Cameras don't fix homelessness or addiction or underfunded services. They just make life harder for regular people. But that's the whole appeal for bureaucrats. Buying a product looks like doing something without having to do any of the actual work.
- noodlesUK 7mo agoI think this echoes very true in a lot of places, not just in the US. Here in the UK I'm pretty sure the police/the state more broadly know perfectly well who is doing a lot of the low level quality-of-life crime in most areas, but for structural reasons either can't or won't bother acting in many instances. Investigative work has never been easier: oftentimes there's multiple cctv angles of offences being committed, endless digital records, etc., but unless something can be done with this information in the real world, it's useless and actually takes resources away from other areas of public services. Increasing the quality of the panopticon has all the downsides we talk about regularly on HN, and if you can't do anything useful for society with the data, it only ends up hurting people.
- FireBeyond 7mo ago> These companies build this tech in SF and Seattle, cities with some of the gnarliest public safety problems in the country I live just outside Seattle. I worked for Flock. Flock is a company based in Atlanta GA.
- superfrank 7mo agoAxon, on the other hand, does have a decent sized Seattle presence.
- fblp 7mo agoAxon seems to be the defacto standard for body cameras but I don't know much about them...
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- chermi 7mo agoIf you want to hear from the man himself, see link below. It was a fairly soft interview. I listened mainly because it was Noah and wasn't expecting him to be so pro-surveillance. So, even though I don't agree with them, it might be worth listening to their reasoning. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2V5m4J0tjYg1shWXWrOG8k?si=kZkUBZWsTLerhuVsdboY9g&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A6q7Gn5lP8TTtBPuV1NJSGs https://open.spotify.com/episode/2V5m4J0tjYg1shWXWrOG8k?si=k...
- stronglikedan 7mo agoI'm glad Flock made it as far as they did before the ass-handing commences. Even some my normie friends and family are aware of the scourge because of their initial success, where they would otherwise think we're talking about a group of birds.
- Cipater 7mo agoY Combinator CEO Gary Tan evangelises this company every chance he gets and YC was an early stage seed funder (Summer 2017)
- Cipater 7mo agoY Combinator CEO Gary Tan evangelises this company and YC was an early stage seed funder (Summer 2017)
- _slih 7mo agoflock says customers own their data and control access. but their national lookup tool means 5,000+ agencies can search your city's cameras without your city's permission. 'customer-owned data' that anyone in the network can query isn't customer-owned in any meaningful sense.
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- Cider9986 7mo ago>[1] Would crime go up, down or stay the same if all surveillance cameras were removed? The answer to that is the only one that matters. At least 40,990 [2] innocent people died in the US in 2023, without significant outcry - that is, on the road, in car accidents. People in the US clearly value the freedom of driving over the deaths of innocent people. In 2023, there were an estimated 19,800 [3] homicides in the US. But even if you assume surveillance like Flock could prevent a meaningful fraction of those homicides - and there's little evidence it does [4] - that's still asking people to give up their most sensitive freedom, the right to move without being tracked, for speculative gains. People are not willing to sacrifice their freedom to save 40,990 people from cars, why should our constant locations be monitored? The abuse isn't speculative. Police have been caught stalking exes, tracking abortions, and innocent people [5] have been held at gunpoint due to a flock misread. The "safety" these cameras provide comes with a surveillance that's already being turned against ordinary people. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47690237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47690237 [2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2022-traffic-deaths-202 https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2022-traffic-deaths-202... [3] https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/hvus23.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/hvus23.pdf [4] Flock can't even demonstrably reduce car break-ins. The drop in San Francisco started months before cameras were installed (https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/ https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/). If it can't prevent car beak-ins, how can we expect it to make a dent in homicides. [5] https://www.businessinsider.com/flock-safety-alpr-cameras-misreads-2026-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/flock-safety-alpr-cameras-mi... >misreads by Flock's automated license plate readers... resulted in people who hadn't committed crimes being stopped at gunpoint, sent to jail, or mauled by a police dog, among other outcomes.
- ramraj07 7mo agoTo rich people, the privacy attack isn't an issue. We already track their private jets, how is this any different?
- ssl-3 7mo agoThere are rich people who charter private jets instead of own them. Their personal whereabouts aren't being tracked in the air. (They get to skip the entirety of TSA screening for these charters, too.) But Flock tracks them on the ground when they get in their big S Mercedes after arriving at their third vacation home in Aspen. Flock also tracks the wealthy who can't afford charter a jet, but who can afford to buy seats on the fanciest side of the curtain. Flock tracks the doing-alright folks in business class. Flock tracks those aspires to reach these levels: It even tracks the temporarily-disadvantaged billionaires who work soulless factory jobs and stuggle to keep up on the lease for their Black Express RAM 1500 Quad Cab, who rail against taxing the people who actually do have money as if that would ruin their own lives. Flock tracks Joey who manages the sandwich shop down the way. Flock tracks everyone. By the time we get down to the point of mentioning that "everyone" includes the subset of people who are criminals, that part almost seems like a bug instead of a feature.
- tamimio 7mo ago> means the installation of ALPR cameras That’s a big misconception, flock is a car identification system not a license plate one. I have seen many videos of some crime documentaries where flock was used to ID cars with no license plates, and weeks later they still have them in the system to track, coupled with phone tracking, they know exactly all the details needed.
- ourmandave 7mo agoAccording to DeFlock.org, my local Lowe's store has 4 of them covering every entrance point. https://deflock.org/map#map=17/41.468996/-90.483817 https://deflock.org/map#map=17/41.468996/-90.483817
- taobility 7mo agoShould we remove logs from service running?
- a456463 7mo agoAxon has similar spyware surveillance tech too
- throwaway85825 7mo agoWashington just exempted flock data from freedom of information requests. Yay democracy.
- a456463 7mo agoCouple that with age verification at the OS levels. Devices tracked on the internet Car tracked outside the house Wifi 7 to track you in the house Think of the children, the few deaths. Instead we need better policy enforcement. Expire licenses sooner, stricter driving tests, penalties on big tech, breaking up of monopolies, better social care programs, police that are trained in descalating and have empathy towards the community being policed, law makers listening to people and not lobbyists. All of the right solutions require work. So we are left with an authoritarian fear driven state
- JumpCrisscross 7mo agoIs the number of Flock Safety cameras in America going up or down?
- rationalist 7mo agoIs the number of cancer cells in America going up or down?
- Dezvous 7mo agoIt's going up and not even close to the tipping point of going down
- ozlikethewizard 7mo agoGetting involved in local decision making is great, but theres always wire cutters and spray paint for those more inclined on a direct approach. Resisting an the rule of unjust law is always acceptable.
- dlev_pika 7mo agoA little direct action a day, keeps the surveillance state away
- thangalin 7mo agohttps://i.ibb.co/rKgkrVy7/flock-future.png https://i.ibb.co/rKgkrVy7/flock-future.png
- PatchworkDev 7mo ago[dead]