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I used to attend elementary school on a military base. I didn't feel like a human shield at the time, then again I was more naive and had less life experience t

by acyou 6mo ago

I used to attend elementary school on a military base. I didn't feel like a human shield at the time, then again I was more naive and had less life experience than I do now.

karim79 6mo ago
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- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  I'm...not seeing how the comment you're responding to "blames the victims."
  - InexSquirrel 6mo ago
    Yeah I'm not following what they mean there.
  - karim79 6mo ago
    "The Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' elementary school in southern Minab was attended by both boys and girls, taught on separate floors.[9] According to locals, the school was previously a military facility.[10] Its location was near[c] the Sayyid al-Shuhada military complex which included the headquarters of the Asif Brigade of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).[13] As of early 2026, the school had existed as a civilian institution more than 10 years, close to but separate from the IRGCN compound."The Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' elementary school in southern Minab was attended by both boys and girls, taught on separate floors.[9] According to locals, the school was previously a military facility.[10] Its location was near[c] the Sayyid al-Shuhada military complex which included the headquarters of the Asif Brigade of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).[13] As of early 2026, the school had existed as a civilian institution more than 10 years, close to but separate from the IRGCN compound. For more than ten years. That's Palantir caching for you.
    - throwaway290 6mo ago
      military bases are targets. I don't know how you jump from that to victim blaming like little kids had a say in where to build a school or where to go to school or whether to shoot rockets. it's a tragedy.
      - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > military bases are targets Sure. But when they're next to schools, you try to avoid the school or school hours. Not doing that isn't just mean, it's strategically self defeating.
        throwaway290 6mo ago
        Yes. But you are simply agreeing with me that it's a tragedy and a US fuckup. How people get from "school next to military base = human shield" to victim blaming kids for being bombed is a mystery
tw04 6mo ago
You weren’t a human shield. It would have been very easy for the US and Israel to not have blown up a school, the attack was intentional. Notice they had 0 issues precisely striking the building housing Iranian leadership when this whole thing started. They didn’t “accidentally” hit the grocery store two blocks away.
- ALittleLight 6mo ago
  For what reason would they attack a single school? Some strikes being well some doesn't mean others can't be mistaken.
  - ra 6mo ago
    Same reason they're attacking universities, medical research labs, power stations, bridges, hospitals, paramedic teams, civilian rescue teams...
    - user34283 6mo ago
      It is amazing how readily some people believe we target civilians, often based on the words of actual terrorists. With this particular incident with apparent US strikes on a school adjacent to a military complex, and formerly part of that military complex, you would think it must be obvious to any reasonable person that we did not knowingly target a school. Yet here we are.
      - ra 6mo ago
        Who are these actual terrorists you speak of?
      - tw04 6mo ago
        Gaza has entered the chat We are so far past there being any merit to “Israel would never knowingly target civilians/children/hospitals/etc” that you just shouldn’t even bother. Just own it, if your leadership thinks the only winning strategy is the annihilation of another people, or at least their complete displacement, own it. Stop trying to hide behind “it was a mistake” while simultaneously showing you have no issues putting a missile through a singular car window to assassinate people labeled an enemy. Nobody buys it anymore.
trhway 6mo ago
Today on several news media were a story that people of Iran were called by the government and formed human shields at the bridges and power plants that Trump threatened to bomb if no deal reached by the deadline. https://www.ms.now/news/iran-youths-protect-power-plants-saudi-arabia-closes-bridge-trumps-deadline https://www.ms.now/news/iran-youths-protect-power-plants-sau... Sounds like a blatant violation of all the conventions and a war crime.
- amluto 6mo ago
  It’s hard to imagine that international law actually intends to consider civilians hanging out as “human shields” at civilian sites to be a war crime.
  - gpm 6mo ago
    No it's not. International law is generally exceptionally clear that one war crime doesn't justify another, and using civilians as human shields is about as core a war-crime as war-crimes get.
    - amluto 6mo ago
      I tried to look it up: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97#title-3 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97#ti... > The prohibition of using human shields in the Geneva Conventions, Additional Protocol I and the Statute of the International Criminal Court are couched in terms of using the presence (or movements) of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points or areas (or military forces) immune from military operations.[18] Most examples given in military manuals, or which have been the object of condemnations, have been cases where persons were actually taken to military objectives in order to shield those objectives from attacks. The military manuals of New Zealand and the United Kingdom give as examples the placing of persons in or next to ammunition trains. The situation in Iran is not this. The suggestion was that humans might volunteer to go to non-military sites. As an extreme hypothetical, are humans living in their homes acting as human shields for those homes? How about people at school? How about people parading on a bridge? Does it become different if someone threatens to blow up a bridge and people parade there in response?

by acyou 6mo ago

I used to attend elementary school on a military base. I didn't feel like a human shield at the time, then again I was more naive and had less life experience than I do now.

karim79 6mo ago

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JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
I'm...not seeing how the comment you're responding to "blames the victims."
- InexSquirrel 6mo ago
  Yeah I'm not following what they mean there.
- karim79 6mo ago
  "The Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' elementary school in southern Minab was attended by both boys and girls, taught on separate floors.[9] According to locals, the school was previously a military facility.[10] Its location was near[c] the Sayyid al-Shuhada military complex which included the headquarters of the Asif Brigade of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).[13] As of early 2026, the school had existed as a civilian institution more than 10 years, close to but separate from the IRGCN compound."The Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' elementary school in southern Minab was attended by both boys and girls, taught on separate floors.[9] According to locals, the school was previously a military facility.[10] Its location was near[c] the Sayyid al-Shuhada military complex which included the headquarters of the Asif Brigade of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).[13] As of early 2026, the school had existed as a civilian institution more than 10 years, close to but separate from the IRGCN compound. For more than ten years. That's Palantir caching for you.
  - throwaway290 6mo ago
    military bases are targets. I don't know how you jump from that to victim blaming like little kids had a say in where to build a school or where to go to school or whether to shoot rockets. it's a tragedy.
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      > military bases are targets Sure. But when they're next to schools, you try to avoid the school or school hours. Not doing that isn't just mean, it's strategically self defeating.
      - throwaway290 6mo ago
        Yes. But you are simply agreeing with me that it's a tragedy and a US fuckup. How people get from "school next to military base = human shield" to victim blaming kids for being bombed is a mystery

tw04 6mo ago

You weren’t a human shield. It would have been very easy for the US and Israel to not have blown up a school, the attack was intentional. Notice they had 0 issues precisely striking the building housing Iranian leadership when this whole thing started. They didn’t “accidentally” hit the grocery store two blocks away.

ALittleLight 6mo ago
For what reason would they attack a single school? Some strikes being well some doesn't mean others can't be mistaken.
- ra 6mo ago
  Same reason they're attacking universities, medical research labs, power stations, bridges, hospitals, paramedic teams, civilian rescue teams...
  - user34283 6mo ago
    It is amazing how readily some people believe we target civilians, often based on the words of actual terrorists. With this particular incident with apparent US strikes on a school adjacent to a military complex, and formerly part of that military complex, you would think it must be obvious to any reasonable person that we did not knowingly target a school. Yet here we are.
    - ra 6mo ago
      Who are these actual terrorists you speak of?
    - tw04 6mo ago
      Gaza has entered the chat We are so far past there being any merit to “Israel would never knowingly target civilians/children/hospitals/etc” that you just shouldn’t even bother. Just own it, if your leadership thinks the only winning strategy is the annihilation of another people, or at least their complete displacement, own it. Stop trying to hide behind “it was a mistake” while simultaneously showing you have no issues putting a missile through a singular car window to assassinate people labeled an enemy. Nobody buys it anymore.

trhway 6mo ago

Today on several news media were a story that people of Iran were called by the government and formed human shields at the bridges and power plants that Trump threatened to bomb if no deal reached by the deadline. https://www.ms.now/news/iran-youths-protect-power-plants-saudi-arabia-closes-bridge-trumps-deadline https://www.ms.now/news/iran-youths-protect-power-plants-sau... Sounds like a blatant violation of all the conventions and a war crime.

amluto 6mo ago
It’s hard to imagine that international law actually intends to consider civilians hanging out as “human shields” at civilian sites to be a war crime.
- gpm 6mo ago
  No it's not. International law is generally exceptionally clear that one war crime doesn't justify another, and using civilians as human shields is about as core a war-crime as war-crimes get.
  - amluto 6mo ago
    I tried to look it up: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97#title-3 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97#ti... > The prohibition of using human shields in the Geneva Conventions, Additional Protocol I and the Statute of the International Criminal Court are couched in terms of using the presence (or movements) of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points or areas (or military forces) immune from military operations.[18] Most examples given in military manuals, or which have been the object of condemnations, have been cases where persons were actually taken to military objectives in order to shield those objectives from attacks. The military manuals of New Zealand and the United Kingdom give as examples the placing of persons in or next to ammunition trains. The situation in Iran is not this. The suggestion was that humans might volunteer to go to non-military sites. As an extreme hypothetical, are humans living in their homes acting as human shields for those homes? How about people at school? How about people parading on a bridge? Does it become different if someone threatens to blow up a bridge and people parade there in response?