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Freedom of navigation is a core global principal Like not attacking civilian infrastructure?

by jrmg 6mo ago

21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
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- walletdrainer 6mo ago
  > Armed robbery of unbelievers always has been a core tenant of the islamic world. Which is why the fairly big Jewish population in Tehran is targeted by armed robbers on a daily basis?
  - cindyllm 6mo ago
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  - fenykep 6mo ago
    I mean it happened just yesterday (not a robbery per se). It was just not the "islamic world" targeting them. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/7/synagogue-in-tehran-destroyed-in-us-israeli-strikes-on-iran https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/7/synagogue-in-tehran-...
  - 21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
    The hostages are a small slice of what remains- why dont you post a minority graph of jews in the middle east? Or all minorities.. maybe because it looks like a genocide, if you post it..
JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> Like not attacking civilian infrastructure? No. I'd actually say freedom of navigation [1] is almost the definition of a Pax. It's precedented across millenia in a way prohibitions on total war are not. Let me be clear, prohibitions on total war are good. But they're also a new concept and one clearly the world's powers don't agree on to one iota. Freedom of navigation, on the other hand, benefits everyone but autarkies, and has for, again, millenia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation
- magicalist 6mo ago
  > No. I'd actually say freedom of navigation is almost the definition of a Pax like, say, across a civilian bridge?
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    > like, say, across a civilian bridge? Cute. But no cigar. Point is if you put a random assortment of countries in a series of rooms, more of those rooms will agree on freedom of navigation than they will on what bridge can be blown up when. In part because the former is a bright line in a way deciding what is and isn't a military target cannot be.
    - adrian_b 6mo ago
      You should mention that USA does not believe in the freedom of navigation. Before starting the war with Iran, USA has instituted a blockade of Cuba, intercepting the oil tankers going there and causing thus a severe fuel shortage in Cuba. Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz was just doing the same that USA has begun doing. So USA has no moral authority to say that Iran should respect "the freedom of navigation", which is a thing that USA does not respect.
      - fc417fc802 6mo ago
        Weren't those tankers operating under false flags? Additionally, the US action in Venezuela led to that stream ceasing. I'm not sure what the deal was with Mexico, I read that the US asked them to stop doing business with Cuba but they didn't seem entirely willing to cooperate. When a properly flagged Russian tanker came through it was left alone. My impression is that the situation with Cuba is much more complex than the mass media portrayal of a straightforward blockade. Not that I believe the US is free of guilt here; clearly harm is being caused and the motivations seem suspect at best.
        UncleMeat 6mo ago
abc123abc123 6mo ago
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Freedom of navigation is a core global principal Like not attacking civilian infrastructure?

by jrmg 6mo ago

Freedom of navigation is a core global principal Like not attacking civilian infrastructure?

21asdffdsa12 6mo ago

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walletdrainer 6mo ago
> Armed robbery of unbelievers always has been a core tenant of the islamic world. Which is why the fairly big Jewish population in Tehran is targeted by armed robbers on a daily basis?
- cindyllm 6mo ago
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- fenykep 6mo ago
  I mean it happened just yesterday (not a robbery per se). It was just not the "islamic world" targeting them. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/7/synagogue-in-tehran-destroyed-in-us-israeli-strikes-on-iran https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/7/synagogue-in-tehran-...
- 21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
  The hostages are a small slice of what remains- why dont you post a minority graph of jews in the middle east? Or all minorities.. maybe because it looks like a genocide, if you post it..

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago

> Like not attacking civilian infrastructure? No. I'd actually say freedom of navigation [1] is almost the definition of a Pax. It's precedented across millenia in a way prohibitions on total war are not. Let me be clear, prohibitions on total war are good. But they're also a new concept and one clearly the world's powers don't agree on to one iota. Freedom of navigation, on the other hand, benefits everyone but autarkies, and has for, again, millenia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_navigation

magicalist 6mo ago
> No. I'd actually say freedom of navigation is almost the definition of a Pax like, say, across a civilian bridge?
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > like, say, across a civilian bridge? Cute. But no cigar. Point is if you put a random assortment of countries in a series of rooms, more of those rooms will agree on freedom of navigation than they will on what bridge can be blown up when. In part because the former is a bright line in a way deciding what is and isn't a military target cannot be.
  - adrian_b 6mo ago
    You should mention that USA does not believe in the freedom of navigation. Before starting the war with Iran, USA has instituted a blockade of Cuba, intercepting the oil tankers going there and causing thus a severe fuel shortage in Cuba. Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz was just doing the same that USA has begun doing. So USA has no moral authority to say that Iran should respect "the freedom of navigation", which is a thing that USA does not respect.
    - fc417fc802 6mo ago
      Weren't those tankers operating under false flags? Additionally, the US action in Venezuela led to that stream ceasing. I'm not sure what the deal was with Mexico, I read that the US asked them to stop doing business with Cuba but they didn't seem entirely willing to cooperate. When a properly flagged Russian tanker came through it was left alone. My impression is that the situation with Cuba is much more complex than the mass media portrayal of a straightforward blockade. Not that I believe the US is free of guilt here; clearly harm is being caused and the motivations seem suspect at best.
      - UncleMeat 6mo ago

abc123abc123 6mo ago

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