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No one has agreed to the Iran's 10 point plan, and they're not going to get all of it. The provisional ceasefire actually goes against the Iranian proposition.

No one has agreed to the Iran's 10 point plan, and they're not going to get all of it. The provisional ceasefire actually goes against the Iranian proposition. Point 2 explicitly is "permanent end to the war, not a ceasefire". Iran backed down a bit here from their maximalist aims (which is what the 10 point is).

sosomoxie 6mo ago
Trump literally said he would bomb them to the stone age. It doesn’t get more maximalist than that and it was the US that backed down.
- jrochkind1 6mo ago
  I mean, neither one did what they said they would do, if they had both done what they said they'd do, I guess we'd have nuclear war, so. (To the extent that you can't get anything consistent out of what Trump says he will do it's literally not possible, because he constantly contradicts himself.)
- 9cb14c1ec0 6mo ago
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  - sosomoxie 6mo ago
    The US is in a worse spot than before the war. Iran won.
  - hackable_sand 6mo ago
    It's a bad strategy. A high schooler could tell you that.
    - Invictus0 6mo ago
      Fools hacker news every day. And it worked on the Iranians.
      - wat10000 6mo ago
        Did it? I’m pretty sure a cease fire is something they appreciate, and they haven’t given up anything for it yet.
      - majormajor 6mo ago
        If the madman act had worked there would've been some significant changes before the bombings last year. Or, ok, maybe you gotta show them you're serious. But the madman act would at least then prevent needing to attack for weeks this year. Oh, nevermind. But... third time's the charm, right! He's definitely gonna get what he wants this time? The people running the country, killing protestors, etc, aren't trying to "win" in the same way Trump is. It's easier to avoid regime change than it is to cause it from air strikes.
    - Auracle 6mo ago
      And yet it was worked for him time and time again. I don’t like it because we’re needlessly hurting relations, but to say it’s a bad strategy is silly.
      - jacquesm 6mo ago
        We must have a completely different definition of 'it worked'. The only thing that worked here is that he managed to get Epstein off the front pages, but that will only work for so long. Oh, then there is Cuba of course.
        mrguyorama 6mo ago
        Why do you still believe there's any crime at all that could somehow turn around the people who support Trump? Do you really think, after over a decade of buying into a cult, they will suddenly give up after seeing slightly better proof of things that are already widely known? It's delusion to think this has to do with Epstein. Israel committed to this war Oct 7th, and the Trump admin jumped in for worse reasons: They thought they were special and could win. They thought they would be seen as strong. Why do Trump friends own so much news and media if Trump believes he has to make up a war to distract from Epstein? No amount of preachers raping kids has stopped fundamentalists christians from supporting their institutions that enable such activity. They are some of the same people who support Trump. They don't care if he personally raped a kid. "The ends justify the means". 2A folks support him even though he has directly said he wants to take guns from people without due process and even though he said Pretti should not have brought a gun to a protest, something that Kyle Rittenhouse supporters probably should have a problem with. They don't care. The ends justify the means. They've never cared about the actual person involved. Everything they say in defense of him is post-hoc rationalization and entirely a front. They do not care.
        jacquesm 6mo ago
        > Why do you still believe there's any crime at all that could somehow turn around the people who support Trump? Did I say that? Or did your reply get attached to the wrong comment? Either way, no I don't believe that at all.
  - bradleyankrom 6mo ago
    That is certainly a favorable interpretation of events. I don't buy it. I think there's more evidence that he's actually an erratic, compulsive liar than some master strategist. What great deals has he secured for the US?
  - lateforwork 6mo ago
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    - zozbot234 6mo ago
      > In making threats about a civilization dying he lowered the country's standing in the world. That threat was really about the death of American civilization as we know it, and he made good on it a long time ago.
  - JeremyNT 6mo ago
    The 12 D chess explanation, people still believe this? This whole thing is a debacle. Trump was manipulated by his betters into engaging a war he doesn't understand at all [0], and while flailing he just reached for the most insane threat he could imagine. The madman theory ironically actually requires a sane and competent person to perform the bluff, [1] which is not the case here. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZFA.j6-o.Jn6giQD4mdIJ&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
  - wat10000 6mo ago
    People keep saying this, and yet Trump just sounds like a fucking moron to me, if you’ll pardon me quoting his former Secretary of State. Can you give me some examples of where he’s done this in the last and it actually worked?
  - 8note 6mo ago
    it really seems like the US is just ceding to iranian terms. the US cant solve the hormuz strait problem militarily, and so it has to come to the table
  - cosmicgadget 6mo ago
    "I will end your civilization" is not credible. He'd lose a war powers vote and likely be removed if he even started down that path. To say nothing for the logistical impossibility. He's not doing some Scott Adams master persuader nonsense. He spent a month being ignored by his counterparty so he just kept amping up the rhetoric until he was threating actual genocide. With human shields placed around the infrastructure he promised to attack, the president desperately begged Pakistan to broker a ceasefire with two sets of terms.
  - krisoft 6mo ago
    > The US didn't back down, it used a credible mad-man style threat to get what it wanted. Okay. Tell me, what did the US got? You say they got what they wanted. What is that they wanted and now got?
- hirako2000 6mo ago
  A ceasefire agreement isn't an end of war agreement. Typically that means backing down on objectives/demands otherwise that would be the end of it.
- lateforwork 6mo ago
  Stone age is old news. The latest threat is that an entire civilization will die. And yes, US backed down -- TACO Trump shows up again.
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    TACO enjoyers always come out on top.
    - Invictus0 6mo ago
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      - matheusmoreira 6mo ago
        Meanwhile Iran continues to blow up oil prices which is devastating for the entire world's economy, to say nothing of the USA's economy and especially Trump's popularity.
        Alupis 6mo ago
        Crude oil is down 17% today alone.
      - 8note 6mo ago
        he's chickened out of getting regime change primarily. in terms of shifting war goals, he's chickened out on getting back to the status quo from before the war. rather than chickened out, the US is the sound loser of this war. the best outcome the US can negotiate for now is worse than what they could get before the war
      - outside1234 6mo ago
        Dude, they still have a huge drone force, or otherwise there would be tankers sailing
  - Auracle 6mo ago
    How is it backing down when his threat was we’d do it if they didn’t agree to open up the strait, which is now open? I don’t like the way he does things but we’ve seen Trump’s playbook enough to see what he does. Big threat, followed by the US getting some sort of capitulation from it. He then doesn’t follow through with the threat. That’s not chickening out. That’s just negotiating with a big stick.

sosomoxie 6mo ago

Trump literally said he would bomb them to the stone age. It doesn’t get more maximalist than that and it was the US that backed down.

jrochkind1 6mo ago
I mean, neither one did what they said they would do, if they had both done what they said they'd do, I guess we'd have nuclear war, so. (To the extent that you can't get anything consistent out of what Trump says he will do it's literally not possible, because he constantly contradicts himself.)
9cb14c1ec0 6mo ago
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- sosomoxie 6mo ago
  The US is in a worse spot than before the war. Iran won.
- hackable_sand 6mo ago
  It's a bad strategy. A high schooler could tell you that.
  - Invictus0 6mo ago
    Fools hacker news every day. And it worked on the Iranians.
    - wat10000 6mo ago
      Did it? I’m pretty sure a cease fire is something they appreciate, and they haven’t given up anything for it yet.
    - majormajor 6mo ago
      If the madman act had worked there would've been some significant changes before the bombings last year. Or, ok, maybe you gotta show them you're serious. But the madman act would at least then prevent needing to attack for weeks this year. Oh, nevermind. But... third time's the charm, right! He's definitely gonna get what he wants this time? The people running the country, killing protestors, etc, aren't trying to "win" in the same way Trump is. It's easier to avoid regime change than it is to cause it from air strikes.
  - Auracle 6mo ago
    And yet it was worked for him time and time again. I don’t like it because we’re needlessly hurting relations, but to say it’s a bad strategy is silly.
    - jacquesm 6mo ago
      We must have a completely different definition of 'it worked'. The only thing that worked here is that he managed to get Epstein off the front pages, but that will only work for so long. Oh, then there is Cuba of course.
      - mrguyorama 6mo ago
        Why do you still believe there's any crime at all that could somehow turn around the people who support Trump? Do you really think, after over a decade of buying into a cult, they will suddenly give up after seeing slightly better proof of things that are already widely known? It's delusion to think this has to do with Epstein. Israel committed to this war Oct 7th, and the Trump admin jumped in for worse reasons: They thought they were special and could win. They thought they would be seen as strong. Why do Trump friends own so much news and media if Trump believes he has to make up a war to distract from Epstein? No amount of preachers raping kids has stopped fundamentalists christians from supporting their institutions that enable such activity. They are some of the same people who support Trump. They don't care if he personally raped a kid. "The ends justify the means". 2A folks support him even though he has directly said he wants to take guns from people without due process and even though he said Pretti should not have brought a gun to a protest, something that Kyle Rittenhouse supporters probably should have a problem with. They don't care. The ends justify the means. They've never cared about the actual person involved. Everything they say in defense of him is post-hoc rationalization and entirely a front. They do not care.
        jacquesm 6mo ago
        > Why do you still believe there's any crime at all that could somehow turn around the people who support Trump? Did I say that? Or did your reply get attached to the wrong comment? Either way, no I don't believe that at all.
- bradleyankrom 6mo ago
  That is certainly a favorable interpretation of events. I don't buy it. I think there's more evidence that he's actually an erratic, compulsive liar than some master strategist. What great deals has he secured for the US?
- lateforwork 6mo ago
  [flagged]
  - zozbot234 6mo ago
    > In making threats about a civilization dying he lowered the country's standing in the world. That threat was really about the death of American civilization as we know it, and he made good on it a long time ago.
- JeremyNT 6mo ago
  The 12 D chess explanation, people still believe this? This whole thing is a debacle. Trump was manipulated by his betters into engaging a war he doesn't understand at all [0], and while flailing he just reached for the most insane threat he could imagine. The madman theory ironically actually requires a sane and competent person to perform the bluff, [1] which is not the case here. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZFA.j6-o.Jn6giQD4mdIJ&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
- wat10000 6mo ago
  People keep saying this, and yet Trump just sounds like a fucking moron to me, if you’ll pardon me quoting his former Secretary of State. Can you give me some examples of where he’s done this in the last and it actually worked?
- 8note 6mo ago
  it really seems like the US is just ceding to iranian terms. the US cant solve the hormuz strait problem militarily, and so it has to come to the table
- cosmicgadget 6mo ago
  "I will end your civilization" is not credible. He'd lose a war powers vote and likely be removed if he even started down that path. To say nothing for the logistical impossibility. He's not doing some Scott Adams master persuader nonsense. He spent a month being ignored by his counterparty so he just kept amping up the rhetoric until he was threating actual genocide. With human shields placed around the infrastructure he promised to attack, the president desperately begged Pakistan to broker a ceasefire with two sets of terms.
- krisoft 6mo ago
  > The US didn't back down, it used a credible mad-man style threat to get what it wanted. Okay. Tell me, what did the US got? You say they got what they wanted. What is that they wanted and now got?
hirako2000 6mo ago
A ceasefire agreement isn't an end of war agreement. Typically that means backing down on objectives/demands otherwise that would be the end of it.
lateforwork 6mo ago
Stone age is old news. The latest threat is that an entire civilization will die. And yes, US backed down -- TACO Trump shows up again.
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  TACO enjoyers always come out on top.
  - Invictus0 6mo ago
    [flagged]
    - matheusmoreira 6mo ago
      Meanwhile Iran continues to blow up oil prices which is devastating for the entire world's economy, to say nothing of the USA's economy and especially Trump's popularity.
      - Alupis 6mo ago
        Crude oil is down 17% today alone.
    - 8note 6mo ago
      he's chickened out of getting regime change primarily. in terms of shifting war goals, he's chickened out on getting back to the status quo from before the war. rather than chickened out, the US is the sound loser of this war. the best outcome the US can negotiate for now is worse than what they could get before the war
    - outside1234 6mo ago
      Dude, they still have a huge drone force, or otherwise there would be tankers sailing
- Auracle 6mo ago
  How is it backing down when his threat was we’d do it if they didn’t agree to open up the strait, which is now open? I don’t like the way he does things but we’ve seen Trump’s playbook enough to see what he does. Big threat, followed by the US getting some sort of capitulation from it. He then doesn’t follow through with the threat. That’s not chickening out. That’s just negotiating with a big stick.