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I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing dama

by 100ms 6mo ago

I don't understand enough about the US system of government. Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? If not for the astonishing damage he's doing to the western world, then only for the sheer fatigue from having every media outlet saturated by him on a daily basis.

nirav72 6mo ago
Nope. Maybe a cheeseburger and mother nature.
- throwaway173738 6mo ago
  Vance is actually worse. He’s basically a sock puppet for Peter Thiel.
le-mark 6mo ago
If the Dems win the house in the midterms he will be impeached again. If there are 60 votes in the senate he will be out. Dems are unlikely to win the senate, let alone 60 seats. It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say.
- jjordan 6mo ago
  Need 66 senate votes to impeach in the senate.
- etc-hosts 6mo ago
  Trump has been impeached before. Doesn't matter. The seriousness of the word 'impeachment' has been greatly devalued.
  - vjvjvjvjghv 6mo ago
    It has become a tool to fire up party supporters but otherwise achieves nothing.
    - deathanatos 6mo ago
      … because he was acquitted. Upthread is discussing whether the Dems could flip the necessary seats to impeach and convict. (And no, there is no way they will. It would take winning 20 out of the 22 seats, and losing none, assuming a party-line vote w/ independents siding with Dems. That won't happen. Also, the required vote in the Senate is two-thirds, not "60".)
  - fyrn_ 6mo ago
    He's been impeached by the _house_ not by the Senate. The US Senate is extremely complicit with the administration. Something the founders did not intend
    - pjc50 6mo ago
      Nobody forsaw that the same party might control both?
- vjvjvjvjghv 6mo ago
  I really hope the democrats won’t start the impeachment nonsense showbusiness again and instead focus on actual policy that benefits people. I am very worried that Congress will go even lower and devolve into permanent investigations and impeachments while the country has actual serious problems that aren’t worked on.
  - chasd00 6mo ago
    I wouldn’t worry, that’s a sure thing. Next on Trump’s list is Cuba. He has to do these things now because after the midterms it’s just going to be investigations and impeachment for two years. Then the Democrats lose again because who cares about more pointless impeachments?
- Aloisius 6mo ago
  > It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say No say (or at least, no influence) might be a bit strong given foreign election interference. I'm sure if Britain or France or whoever wanted to, they could have their intelligence services release dirt on candidates or engage in some dirty tricks.
voidfunc 6mo ago
Nah, he's here until he exits on his own. Sorry.
newAccount2025 6mo ago
No. Theoretically congress could impeach him, but his party has proven they will support him no matter what his crimes. Theoretically his cabinet could remove him with the 25th amendment but they are all complicit and will need pardons for themselves.
- clbrmbr 6mo ago
  25A removal is temporary pending a bar in congress even higher than that for impeachment (2/3 of house and senate).
avidiax 6mo ago
Barring something catastrophic happening, I would bet that nothing will unseat Trump until January 20, 2027, at 12:00 PM (noon). At that point, when J.D. Vance is inaugurated, he would be allowed to run and serve for 2 additional full terms (10 years total as president). Before that, his partial term would count as a full term, and he could only run, win and serve one additional term. This is all based on the 22nd Amendment, which established term limits. JD is basically Peter Thiel's manchurian candidate, and some have claimed that it's the plan all along that Trump would probably not complete his term, leaving JD as the president and presumptive nominee for future terms.
- Maken 6mo ago
  Now that's a bleak picture of the future.
  - esafak 6mo ago
    Look on the bright side; that picture respects terms limits.
    - actionfromafar 6mo ago
      Putin also respected term limits for a while, also with a sock puppet. 8 years should be plenty of time to have the Supreme Court Jesters come up with a solution. They already pardoned Steve Bannon!
- yoyohello13 6mo ago
  This seems extremely likely. I’m already unconvinced the elections are going to be fair this year, but I am certain an impeachment would piss the conservatives off so much there would be another red swing during 2028 elections. Then after 4 years of JD Vance we will be living in the United States of Jesus so nothing will matter much anymore.
- steve-atx-7600 6mo ago
  Trump has power because he shows up to a rally and tons of folks join. People want to follow him. JD who?
throwaway173738 6mo ago
Trump’s party runs on a platform of subservience and fear and a lot of people either eat that stuff up or else believe their vote doesn’t count. The electoral college basically keeps the populous parts of the country hostage to the rural areas. And the rural areas believe that they contribute all the taxes for all the federal programs their parents created. We’ve basically become completely demoralized as a nation since the Baby Boomers took over for their parents and we’re busy continuing the plot. It won’t be over until we pull our heads out of our butts and start building things together or we become a third-world country.
stacktraceyo 6mo ago
I don’t get how congress doesn’t have the power to deny/approve this war. Dont even impeach, dont you have to get congressional approval for this stuff?
- deathanatos 6mo ago
  > [The Congress shall have Power ...] To declare War, One might even think that not getting Congress's permission, as required, might be an impeachable offense. But you should read about [the War Powers Clause](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause#History_and_usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause#History_and_...), and in particular, our messy, messy history with it starting at the Korean War and continuing to the present day.
deathanatos 6mo ago
> Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? I don't think so. There's two routes, one improbable, one "hell freezes over" level. The first route is impeachment & conviction. Our legislative branch is composed of two parts: the House and the Senate. The House would impeach him, and if impeached by the House, he would be tried by the Senate. Currently, the GOP (Trump's party) has a majority of both the House & the Senate. It would require a 2/3rds vote in the Senate to convict an impeached president, and I do not see the Democrats winning the necessary seats in the next election (Nov 2026). We do not re-elect every seat at every election in the Senate (they are staggered). Assuming the vote is along party lines, i.e., Dems/Indepedents vote to convict, and GOP vote to acquit, of the 22 GOP seats up for election, all but 2 would need to flip in November in order for a party-lines vote to convict. 4 of the GOP-held seats were won with 65% or higher votes in their last election. I do not see enough seats flipping, nor enough politicians cross parties lines. The other route, which social media is for whatever reason abuzz right now with, is the 25th Amendment. It permits the Vice President & the Cabinet members to issue a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge his duties. The President himself can end such a declaration, which in this case, I would expect he would immediately do; it would then have to be contested by VP/Cabinet, at which point it would go to Congress, and both House & Senate would need a 2/3rds vote to make it stick. Impeachment & conviction seems the far easier route, only requiring a 2/3rd vote in the Senate. (The vote to impeach is, somewhat oddly to me, a simple majority vote.)

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nirav72 6mo ago

Nope. Maybe a cheeseburger and mother nature.

throwaway173738 6mo ago
Vance is actually worse. He’s basically a sock puppet for Peter Thiel.

le-mark 6mo ago

If the Dems win the house in the midterms he will be impeached again. If there are 60 votes in the senate he will be out. Dems are unlikely to win the senate, let alone 60 seats. It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say.

jjordan 6mo ago
Need 66 senate votes to impeach in the senate.
etc-hosts 6mo ago
Trump has been impeached before. Doesn't matter. The seriousness of the word 'impeachment' has been greatly devalued.
- vjvjvjvjghv 6mo ago
  It has become a tool to fire up party supporters but otherwise achieves nothing.
  - deathanatos 6mo ago
    … because he was acquitted. Upthread is discussing whether the Dems could flip the necessary seats to impeach and convict. (And no, there is no way they will. It would take winning 20 out of the 22 seats, and losing none, assuming a party-line vote w/ independents siding with Dems. That won't happen. Also, the required vote in the Senate is two-thirds, not "60".)
- fyrn_ 6mo ago
  He's been impeached by the _house_ not by the Senate. The US Senate is extremely complicit with the administration. Something the founders did not intend
  - pjc50 6mo ago
    Nobody forsaw that the same party might control both?
vjvjvjvjghv 6mo ago
I really hope the democrats won’t start the impeachment nonsense showbusiness again and instead focus on actual policy that benefits people. I am very worried that Congress will go even lower and devolve into permanent investigations and impeachments while the country has actual serious problems that aren’t worked on.
- chasd00 6mo ago
  I wouldn’t worry, that’s a sure thing. Next on Trump’s list is Cuba. He has to do these things now because after the midterms it’s just going to be investigations and impeachment for two years. Then the Democrats lose again because who cares about more pointless impeachments?
Aloisius 6mo ago
> It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say No say (or at least, no influence) might be a bit strong given foreign election interference. I'm sure if Britain or France or whoever wanted to, they could have their intelligence services release dirt on candidates or engage in some dirty tricks.

voidfunc 6mo ago

Nah, he's here until he exits on his own. Sorry.

newAccount2025 6mo ago

No. Theoretically congress could impeach him, but his party has proven they will support him no matter what his crimes. Theoretically his cabinet could remove him with the 25th amendment but they are all complicit and will need pardons for themselves.

clbrmbr 6mo ago
25A removal is temporary pending a bar in congress even higher than that for impeachment (2/3 of house and senate).

avidiax 6mo ago

Barring something catastrophic happening, I would bet that nothing will unseat Trump until January 20, 2027, at 12:00 PM (noon). At that point, when J.D. Vance is inaugurated, he would be allowed to run and serve for 2 additional full terms (10 years total as president). Before that, his partial term would count as a full term, and he could only run, win and serve one additional term. This is all based on the 22nd Amendment, which established term limits. JD is basically Peter Thiel's manchurian candidate, and some have claimed that it's the plan all along that Trump would probably not complete his term, leaving JD as the president and presumptive nominee for future terms.

Maken 6mo ago
Now that's a bleak picture of the future.
- esafak 6mo ago
  Look on the bright side; that picture respects terms limits.
  - actionfromafar 6mo ago
    Putin also respected term limits for a while, also with a sock puppet. 8 years should be plenty of time to have the Supreme Court Jesters come up with a solution. They already pardoned Steve Bannon!
yoyohello13 6mo ago
This seems extremely likely. I’m already unconvinced the elections are going to be fair this year, but I am certain an impeachment would piss the conservatives off so much there would be another red swing during 2028 elections. Then after 4 years of JD Vance we will be living in the United States of Jesus so nothing will matter much anymore.
steve-atx-7600 6mo ago
Trump has power because he shows up to a rally and tons of folks join. People want to follow him. JD who?

throwaway173738 6mo ago

Trump’s party runs on a platform of subservience and fear and a lot of people either eat that stuff up or else believe their vote doesn’t count. The electoral college basically keeps the populous parts of the country hostage to the rural areas. And the rural areas believe that they contribute all the taxes for all the federal programs their parents created. We’ve basically become completely demoralized as a nation since the Baby Boomers took over for their parents and we’re busy continuing the plot. It won’t be over until we pull our heads out of our butts and start building things together or we become a third-world country.

stacktraceyo 6mo ago

I don’t get how congress doesn’t have the power to deny/approve this war. Dont even impeach, dont you have to get congressional approval for this stuff?

deathanatos 6mo ago
> [The Congress shall have Power ...] To declare War, One might even think that not getting Congress's permission, as required, might be an impeachable offense. But you should read about [the War Powers Clause](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause#History_and_usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause#History_and_...), and in particular, our messy, messy history with it starting at the Korean War and continuing to the present day.

deathanatos 6mo ago

> Are there any hopes of seeing Trump unseated before his term is up? I don't think so. There's two routes, one improbable, one "hell freezes over" level. The first route is impeachment & conviction. Our legislative branch is composed of two parts: the House and the Senate. The House would impeach him, and if impeached by the House, he would be tried by the Senate. Currently, the GOP (Trump's party) has a majority of both the House & the Senate. It would require a 2/3rds vote in the Senate to convict an impeached president, and I do not see the Democrats winning the necessary seats in the next election (Nov 2026). We do not re-elect every seat at every election in the Senate (they are staggered). Assuming the vote is along party lines, i.e., Dems/Indepedents vote to convict, and GOP vote to acquit, of the 22 GOP seats up for election, all but 2 would need to flip in November in order for a party-lines vote to convict. 4 of the GOP-held seats were won with 65% or higher votes in their last election. I do not see enough seats flipping, nor enough politicians cross parties lines. The other route, which social media is for whatever reason abuzz right now with, is the 25th Amendment. It permits the Vice President & the Cabinet members to issue a declaration that Trump is unable to discharge his duties. The President himself can end such a declaration, which in this case, I would expect he would immediately do; it would then have to be contested by VP/Cabinet, at which point it would go to Congress, and both House & Senate would need a 2/3rds vote to make it stick. Impeachment & conviction seems the far easier route, only requiring a 2/3rd vote in the Senate. (The vote to impeach is, somewhat oddly to me, a simple majority vote.)