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Yeah, that is big one. Perhaps we need to rethink housing. Shared restrooms, bathrooms, and kitchens. Keep the same restrooms on every floor. A gym with indiv

Yeah, that is big one. Perhaps we need to rethink housing. Shared restrooms, bathrooms, and kitchens. Keep the same restrooms on every floor. A gym with individual showers and a food court on specific floors.

AlotOfReading 6mo ago
What will distinguish these structures from slums in 10 or 20 years?
- ipaddr 6mo ago
  Marketing
- red-iron-pine 6mo ago
  unless you're an owner and control the means of production anywhere you live will be a slum in ~20 years
- blitzar 6mo ago
  They have a roof that isnt a motorway.
  - AlotOfReading 6mo ago
    The context I'm referencing here is victorian flophouses and HK bedspace apartments, not American homeless encampments.
- supertrope 6mo ago
  Colleges call these dorms.
- toomuchtodo 6mo ago
  Why is public housing in Vienna not slums? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=vienna%20housing&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
  - kube-system 6mo ago
    Because they are designed to be residential housing?
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > What will distinguish these structures from slums in 10 or 20 years? The neighbourhood. When I moved to New York in my twenties, I had roommates. Everyone had roommates. That meant sharing a bathroom and kitchen. Not only did this breed camaraderie and teach me to not be a dick, it also freed up cash so I could enjoy the city and save.
evklein 6mo ago
Except this goes against American individualism on every front. Americans really only fit one sort of mold in terms of what they want: single family home, owned outright (usually mortgaged though). You can extrapolate that out to cities as well: young urban professionals pine for polished condos or lofts with nice views and located in trendy neighborhoods, but their "unit" is still theirs totally, with no shared primary amenities (by that I mean kitchens and bathrooms, not features like pools or gyms). It just so happens that America is luckily predisposed to this kind of living, with an abundance of space to accommodate lots of people in their own non-shared living spaces. The problem with that though is that you limit the opportunities for business, because space is cheap, so you have to implement regulations and zoning to create opportunities for moneymaking and before you know it you can't actually build housing anymore, despite the abundance of space sitting right there.
- adjejmxbdjdn 6mo ago
  This is historically incomplete. American cities were replete with dorm room style housing. These were especially popular with new migrants to the city. An incredibly large percentage of apartments in cities like NYC are used as multi family housing with several housemates sharing them to save on rent. The reality is that the reason such housing doesn’t exist/isn’t more widespread is because cities have passed laws eliminating them. Before the white flight to the suburbs, the attempt was to keep the poor out of cities where the rich lived by eliminating housing of this sort since the poor couldn’t afford single family housing. This led to a proliferation of laws that required bathrooms and kitchens in every unit, etc.
  - mono442 6mo ago
    Isn't it also the fact the almost no one wants to live like that? The expectations has changed and there's probably little demand for such type of housing.
    - triceratops 6mo ago
      People rent bedrooms in single-family homes all the time. The only difference between that and dorm-style housing is the size of the building.
Sam713 6mo ago
Genuine question, who would actually want to share an intimate space like a kitchen or bathroom with dozens of other strangers on a daily basis? This is obviously a common setup in college dorms or prison, but that is specifically because it’s a temporary (and extreme) cost saving measure, or because you’ve lost the right to participate in society (i.e. prison, which is viewed by some societies to be cruel and inhumane). I lived with housemates for many years to save money and afford housing, but I could at least choose the few housemates with whom I shared those spaces.
- MyHonestOpinon 6mo ago
  I honestly do not know hoping that someone smarter than me figures it out. I suppose it will depend on the execution. If it is comfortable, looks nice, if it creates community, amenities, price, location, etc.

AlotOfReading 6mo ago

What will distinguish these structures from slums in 10 or 20 years?

ipaddr 6mo ago
Marketing
red-iron-pine 6mo ago
unless you're an owner and control the means of production anywhere you live will be a slum in ~20 years
blitzar 6mo ago
They have a roof that isnt a motorway.
- AlotOfReading 6mo ago
  The context I'm referencing here is victorian flophouses and HK bedspace apartments, not American homeless encampments.
supertrope 6mo ago
Colleges call these dorms.
toomuchtodo 6mo ago
Why is public housing in Vienna not slums? https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=vienna%20housing&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- kube-system 6mo ago
  Because they are designed to be residential housing?
JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> What will distinguish these structures from slums in 10 or 20 years? The neighbourhood. When I moved to New York in my twenties, I had roommates. Everyone had roommates. That meant sharing a bathroom and kitchen. Not only did this breed camaraderie and teach me to not be a dick, it also freed up cash so I could enjoy the city and save.

evklein 6mo ago

Except this goes against American individualism on every front. Americans really only fit one sort of mold in terms of what they want: single family home, owned outright (usually mortgaged though). You can extrapolate that out to cities as well: young urban professionals pine for polished condos or lofts with nice views and located in trendy neighborhoods, but their "unit" is still theirs totally, with no shared primary amenities (by that I mean kitchens and bathrooms, not features like pools or gyms). It just so happens that America is luckily predisposed to this kind of living, with an abundance of space to accommodate lots of people in their own non-shared living spaces. The problem with that though is that you limit the opportunities for business, because space is cheap, so you have to implement regulations and zoning to create opportunities for moneymaking and before you know it you can't actually build housing anymore, despite the abundance of space sitting right there.

adjejmxbdjdn 6mo ago
This is historically incomplete. American cities were replete with dorm room style housing. These were especially popular with new migrants to the city. An incredibly large percentage of apartments in cities like NYC are used as multi family housing with several housemates sharing them to save on rent. The reality is that the reason such housing doesn’t exist/isn’t more widespread is because cities have passed laws eliminating them. Before the white flight to the suburbs, the attempt was to keep the poor out of cities where the rich lived by eliminating housing of this sort since the poor couldn’t afford single family housing. This led to a proliferation of laws that required bathrooms and kitchens in every unit, etc.
- mono442 6mo ago
  Isn't it also the fact the almost no one wants to live like that? The expectations has changed and there's probably little demand for such type of housing.
  - triceratops 6mo ago
    People rent bedrooms in single-family homes all the time. The only difference between that and dorm-style housing is the size of the building.

Sam713 6mo ago

Genuine question, who would actually want to share an intimate space like a kitchen or bathroom with dozens of other strangers on a daily basis? This is obviously a common setup in college dorms or prison, but that is specifically because it’s a temporary (and extreme) cost saving measure, or because you’ve lost the right to participate in society (i.e. prison, which is viewed by some societies to be cruel and inhumane). I lived with housemates for many years to save money and afford housing, but I could at least choose the few housemates with whom I shared those spaces.

MyHonestOpinon 6mo ago
I honestly do not know hoping that someone smarter than me figures it out. I suppose it will depend on the execution. If it is comfortable, looks nice, if it creates community, amenities, price, location, etc.