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Has this benefitted the regular/average consumer? Nope. They pay more than they were with the "old" energy mix of more gas and nuclear. Telling people it coul
by snehk 6mo ago
Has this benefitted the regular/average consumer?
Nope. They pay more than they were with the "old" energy mix of more gas and nuclear.
Telling people it could be worse isn't really something to be proud of.
I personally now have solar panels on the roof and a heat pump so we only use electricity and don't rely on gas. Germany's strategy is really beneficial to households like my own. Unless you're relatively well off or on benefits, you're losing big time. The costs are constantly increasing with people telling others to just take money (you don't have) to install some solar panels on the house (you don't own) or buy an electric car (you can't afford).
- erispoe 6mo agoI have dynamic pricing in Germany and the cost of electricity when to literally zero for a few hours today.
- mullingitover 6mo agoSeems like the regular consumers you refer to would be paying even higher rates for gas and petrol if others weren’t electrifying.
- onli 6mo agoIf my electricity prices are no longer linked to gas prices, I can have cheaper electricity - my provider only produces green energy. But in the past raising gas prices would have also raised my prices, regardless. So yes, regular consumers can profit from this.
- snehk 6mo ago> my provider only produces green energy. But in the past raising gas prices would have also raised my prices, regardless. So yes, regular consumers can profit from this. It's one single grid. You get coal, nuclear, wind, solar, and everything else. If you buy from a provider, you get that mix.
- fundatus 6mo agoWell, the electrons arriving in your home will the same as your neighbours, regardless of which supplier you choose. But by choosing a different supplier you can steer which energy sources will be used to feed that grid, so it still makes a difference, just not exactly where you live.
- konschubert 6mo agoThe whole point of this website is to show that the price of electricity is year-to-date 22% cheaper than it would be in a gas-dominated grid without renewables. So I don't know where you're getting the "No" from? You could argue that maybe investing all those subsidies into nuclear would have been cheaper, but that would have had a lot of path dependencies that simply did not pan out in Europe.
- mono442 6mo agoElectricity generation from natural gas is intentionally made more expensive by the EU ETS. It could be cheaper if politicians wanted it to be. Tbh coal definitely should be restarted and used more, there's more reliable supply for coal than for lng.
- ZeroGravitas 6mo agoAnd economists agree that schemes similar to ETS is the most economically efficient way to achieve carbon targets. So, if you want to say: "I don't think governments should have agreed to the Paris agreement" then you should just say that, rather than attack various highly efficient ways of achieving those goals.
- mono442 6mo agoI don't support it because it doesn't work (at least for me, I guess there's some middleman in the grand scheme of things who is profiting off of this). E.g. Texas has a high share of renewables too without carbon taxes and with much cheaper electricity.
- ZeroGravitas 6mo agoTexas has many federal and state incentives for building renewables.
- mono442 6mo ago
- adjejmxbdjdn 6mo agoClearly it has relative to what prices would have been if it was gas powered only. Do you have any reason to believe the methodology in the linked page is wrong?
- vrganj 6mo agoWhat if the whole point of the strategy was to incentivize households to become more like yours? An energy transition isn't just some big centralized state planned enterprise. It's also the sum of people putting up their own solar (on the balcony if they're renters!) etc. An 800W plug-in solar system for your balcony can be had for 200 euros these days, breakeven is super quick.