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And that's why it's harder (or easier?) to make the same landing again -- we taking way less chances. Today we know of way more failure modes than back then.
by deepsun 6mo ago
And that's why it's harder (or easier?) to make the same landing again -- we taking way less chances. Today we know of way more failure modes than back then.
- wat10000 6mo agoIt's a miracle nobody died in flight during the program. Exploding oxygen tank, rockets shaking themselves to pieces during launch, getting hit by lightning on top of a flying skyscraper full of kerosene and liquid oxygen....
- thinkingtoilet 6mo agoStarting from the first test pilots, a lot of people died for us to get to the point to launch that flight. So while no one died on the flight, lots of people died just getting us there. If I recall, in The Right Stuff, it's mentioned that those early test pilots had something like a 25% mortality rate.
- wat10000 6mo agoThe early jet age was pretty nuts. Check the Wikipedia page for a random fighter from the era and you'll see figures like, 1,300 built, 50 lost in combat, 1,100 lost in accidents. And that's operational aircraft. Test pilots were in even more danger.
- Quinner 6mo agoSome were pretty bad, but none were nearly that bad. The B-58 Hustler lost 22% of its airframes, the F7U Cutlass 25%, the F-104 Starfighter in German service lost 33%. And those were outliers.
- wat10000 6mo agoYou're right, those numbers are from the F-8 but include non-total-loss accidents. I don't think the numbers you quoted are outliers, though. The F-100 lost ~900 out of 2,300. The F-106 lost ~120/342. That's a pretty big list of planes with a 1/5-1/3 loss rate.
- jaggederest 6mo agoYou should go back even a little further, the USPS air mail service lost 31 of the first 40 pilots.
- mrguyorama 6mo agoBack in the days where the plan was "So we've built literal signal fires and giant concrete arrows and well, good luck, it won't help"
- ErroneousBosh 6mo agoHave you ever listened to Robert Calvert's "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters"?
- ErroneousBosh 6mo agoThink about the "failure mode" of the aircraft that won World War II, the Supermarine Spitfire. There was a fuel tank mounted between the engine and cockpit so if it took enough of a hit to puncture right through (not hard, in practice) the failure mode was that the cockpit was now full of a 350mph jet of burning petrol. Still, it did the job.
- djmips 6mo agoGus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee died on the Apollo program. I feel it's not polite to ignore that fact even if you add an 'in flight' qualifier.
- vondur 6mo agoAnd it's even more interesting in the fact that our rocket program started with the former rocket scientists from Nazi Germany who were brought over at the end of WW2 to work in the American rocket/missile program.
- kevin_thibedeau 6mo agoThey sent people up in a tin can with the bare minimum computational power to manage navigation and control sequencing. It was barely safer than taking a barrel over Niagara Falls. We do have much more capable and reliable technology.
- jvm___ 6mo agoBuzz Aldrin (?) was quoted as recalling holding a pencil inside the capsule as they were out in space and thinking "that wall isn't very thick or strong, I could probably jam a pencil through it pretty easily..." Death being a layer of aluminum away changes your mind.