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So the story is... a publication that opposes the party currently in power, quoting a few people from the side that's presently out of power, saying that their

by MarkusQ 6mo ago

So the story is... a publication that opposes the party currently in power, quoting a few people from the side that's presently out of power, saying that their being out of power is really bad, and we may never recover? How is this different than the whining we get when the roles are reversed? I realize you folks hate each other, but it would be nice if either of you could talk about something without turning it into a rant about how great, noble and good your side is and how awful the other side is.

AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
To someone neutral (yeah, humor me), the Trump administration has done far more to demolish the reputation of the US than any other administration in my lifetime (OK, maybe Nixon - I don't remember all that much about him firsthand). But I would also say that Biden, while not as bad as Trump, was worse than anybody since Nixon.
- jjtwixman 6mo ago
  I love fake and nonsensical “neutrality”.
- myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
  Which of Biden's policies and actions did you find worse than any since Nixon? And where do you rank the Iraq debacle that Bush started? How about selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua?
  - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
    Remember what we're talking about. It's not about their policies per se, it's about what they do to the US's international reputation. So what did Biden do? The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan was the biggest thing. But his own frailty didn't help (speech fumbling and falling on stairs). Yeah, I know, his personal frailty shouldn't affect the US's reputation. But I think it did.
    - myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
      Trump negotiated the Afghanistan withdrawal. Nearly all blame goes to him. Try again.
      - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
        But didn't implement it. I mean, yes, the fact that we were leaving at all is due to Trump. (Either credit or blame, depending on whether you think we should have stayed there.) But the absolute debacle of how we left is on Biden. And it's that debacle that tarnished the reputation of the US.
        myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
        > And it's that debacle that tarnished the reputation of the US. Worse than any since Nixon?

by MarkusQ 6mo ago

AnimalMuppet 6mo ago

To someone neutral (yeah, humor me), the Trump administration has done far more to demolish the reputation of the US than any other administration in my lifetime (OK, maybe Nixon - I don't remember all that much about him firsthand). But I would also say that Biden, while not as bad as Trump, was worse than anybody since Nixon.

jjtwixman 6mo ago
I love fake and nonsensical “neutrality”.
myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
Which of Biden's policies and actions did you find worse than any since Nixon? And where do you rank the Iraq debacle that Bush started? How about selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua?
- AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
  Remember what we're talking about. It's not about their policies per se, it's about what they do to the US's international reputation. So what did Biden do? The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan was the biggest thing. But his own frailty didn't help (speech fumbling and falling on stairs). Yeah, I know, his personal frailty shouldn't affect the US's reputation. But I think it did.
  - myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
    Trump negotiated the Afghanistan withdrawal. Nearly all blame goes to him. Try again.
    - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
      But didn't implement it. I mean, yes, the fact that we were leaving at all is due to Trump. (Either credit or blame, depending on whether you think we should have stayed there.) But the absolute debacle of how we left is on Biden. And it's that debacle that tarnished the reputation of the US.
      - myvoiceismypass 6mo ago
        > And it's that debacle that tarnished the reputation of the US. Worse than any since Nixon?