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> At some point, you have to cut off previous technologies because virtually everyone's moved to something better. Perhaps. But in this case, they've moved to

by bigstrat2003 7mo ago

> At some point, you have to cut off previous technologies because virtually everyone's moved to something better. Perhaps. But in this case, they've moved to something worse. Digital tickets have their benefits, but paper tickets are still superior because they don't tie you into big tech relationships and don't require supporting infrastructure to work.

graemep 7mo ago
Paper also does not run out of battery or smash if you drop it.
- Detrytus 7mo ago
  Well, depends where you drop it, paper is very fragile medium. Ever dropped an important paper into a puddle, or spilled a coffee on it?
- crazygringo 7mo ago
  It does, however, easily get lost or left behind. Phones, on the other hand, can be charged. And if they're smashed, you can just log into your account on a friend's phone if you haven't replaced yours yet. If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket.
  - jjulius 7mo ago
    Paper doesn't spy on you.
    - crazygringo 7mo ago
      If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place.
      - SoftTalker 7mo ago
        It does when the ticket app demands Location access "to protect your security"
        crazygringo 7mo ago
        You can set location to only while you're using the app. And when you open it to scan the ticket, they already know where you are. You're at the entrance to the stadium where they scan your tickets.
        tomwheeler 7mo ago
        And that's when you find out the app considers this usage pattern as a signal of fraud, so then you can't get into the event and have no recourse. Their app, their rules, your loss.
        crazygringo 7mo ago
        Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. Asking you to sign in with a verification code isn't blocking your ticket with "no recourse". Not to mention, you can usually just go to the ticket office and they can look up your ticket if your app isn't working. Obviously they don't advertise this because they don't have enough people to handle if everybody did that. But they're not trying to lock you out from your own ticket.
        jjulius 7mo ago
        >I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing while on vacation. My primary Google account is still banned from performing any monetary transactions as a result, 10+ years later.
  - billfor 7mo ago
    In New York the commuter trains use etickets and if you smash your phone you can just log into your account on a friends phone, but they track how many times you do that any only allow 3 switches. They don't say 3 switches in a certain period, it just says you can only log in 3 times and then the account is locked. After that you have to call them -- and who knows what....
  - duskdozer 7mo ago
    >If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. So, the app isn't necessary then?
    - crazygringo 7mo ago
      For people in an emergency, usually no. Obviously they can only accommodate this for well under 1% of attendees. And you'd better have a good story as to what happened to your phone and have an ID.
  - graemep 7mo ago
    Which is why I usually put tickets on my phone and have a printout. > If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. Queues and not long to catch a train, stations with no staff present... The latter has happened to be on the Tube and I had a problem exiting (with a conventional ticket!).

graemep 7mo ago

Paper also does not run out of battery or smash if you drop it.

Detrytus 7mo ago
Well, depends where you drop it, paper is very fragile medium. Ever dropped an important paper into a puddle, or spilled a coffee on it?
crazygringo 7mo ago
It does, however, easily get lost or left behind. Phones, on the other hand, can be charged. And if they're smashed, you can just log into your account on a friend's phone if you haven't replaced yours yet. If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket.
- jjulius 7mo ago
  Paper doesn't spy on you.
  - crazygringo 7mo ago
    If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place.
    - SoftTalker 7mo ago
      It does when the ticket app demands Location access "to protect your security"
      - crazygringo 7mo ago
        You can set location to only while you're using the app. And when you open it to scan the ticket, they already know where you are. You're at the entrance to the stadium where they scan your tickets.
        tomwheeler 7mo ago
        And that's when you find out the app considers this usage pattern as a signal of fraud, so then you can't get into the event and have no recourse. Their app, their rules, your loss.
        crazygringo 7mo ago
        Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. Asking you to sign in with a verification code isn't blocking your ticket with "no recourse". Not to mention, you can usually just go to the ticket office and they can look up your ticket if your app isn't working. Obviously they don't advertise this because they don't have enough people to handle if everybody did that. But they're not trying to lock you out from your own ticket.
        jjulius 7mo ago
        >I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing while on vacation. My primary Google account is still banned from performing any monetary transactions as a result, 10+ years later.
- billfor 7mo ago
  In New York the commuter trains use etickets and if you smash your phone you can just log into your account on a friends phone, but they track how many times you do that any only allow 3 switches. They don't say 3 switches in a certain period, it just says you can only log in 3 times and then the account is locked. After that you have to call them -- and who knows what....
- duskdozer 7mo ago
  >If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. So, the app isn't necessary then?
  - crazygringo 7mo ago
    For people in an emergency, usually no. Obviously they can only accommodate this for well under 1% of attendees. And you'd better have a good story as to what happened to your phone and have an ID.
- graemep 7mo ago
  Which is why I usually put tickets on my phone and have a printout. > If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. Queues and not long to catch a train, stations with no staff present... The latter has happened to be on the Tube and I had a problem exiting (with a conventional ticket!).