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Anthropic is burning more and more dev goodwill

70 points by tosh 7mo ago

https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605 https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605

alsetmusic 7mo ago
Who wants to follow a link to an untagged [video]? Please tag video submissions so that those of us who don’t care for them can save a click / tap.
cdrnsf 7mo ago
https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605 https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605
- deleted 7mo ago
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drakythe 7mo ago
tl;dr: Dude thinks Anthropic is making claude worse on purpose to cut down on GPU usage and/or increase income. He recommends using Codex instead. This video should have been a text tweet. I'm 3 minutes in and he has done an ad read and shown that Anthropic wasn't kidding about removing the ability for Claude to be used with OpenClaw without paying for additional usage. And now he says he's going into his _actual_ problem with the service. EDIT: I have fast forwarded to 8 minutes in an he is still going on about Open Claw. Apparently they have banned mention of open claw in the system prompts. And it can trigger your extra charges even if you're not _using_ Open Claw, just mentioning it. EDIT 2: forwarded again. He went into something about his app and how he is concerned about whether his app will be allowed to continue doing this and that he would take Anthropic to court if that suddenly changed? But then he talks about how he likes using Claude for debugging misc issues outside of this app. Why did he bring the app up? And he is upset that Claude is telling him that it can't help him with random tech support questions like "Why is my dropbox icon not showing up in the MacOS menu?" We're now 16:45 in and this is his personal _conspiracy theory_ about Anthropic doing this stuff specifically so it doesn't work for Open Claw. This is a 24 minute rant that the tool he didn't understand before is now telling him he doesn't understand the tool and he should look elsewhere for specific answers. But Codex did what he wanted. So okay. "All without opening a browser" -- I... have so many responses that are unkind. This isn't Anthropic burning dev good will. This is Anthropic being a capitalist company.
- pixl97 7mo ago
  >And it can trigger your extra charges even if you're not _using_ Open Claw, just mentioning it. Eh, I can only imagine this could get them in legal trouble in places that have actual consumer protections.
- taiwks 7mo ago
  It's a Theo post, I see him and go oh I don't care / need his opinion on anything.
- xingped 7mo ago
  I am actually glad that YouTube now has Gemini integrated with a little popout section that I can just ask to summarize the video. Half the videos I pass by these days I prefer just a quick summarize and 30s read-through over a half-hour long video comprised of 90% useless fluff. Milk the ad revenue, I guess, but most of these videos could have been a tweet for all the content they actually contain.
- gherkinnn 7mo ago
  This Theo can be safely ignored. He built his audience shilling for Next.js in hour long roundabout videos and now seemingly moved on to doing the same for whatever else is happening. A tech influencer.
WaryByDesign 7mo ago
I have truly no idea what this is all about. OAuth login issues aside (which have been a thing on-and-off for a while now, and I hope they fix soon), Claude's performance and responses have been entirely stable for me for like, forever.
- schmookeeg 7mo ago
  Same for me. I have been max200 for like 10 months, i think my usage is reasonable, and i never seem to get the quality throttling that gets complaints daily. I assume they are targeting certain piggies at the Claude buffet, who then squeal the loudest.
  - simplify 7mo ago
    Same here, maybe we're grandfathered into a good plan or something.
  - Ferret7446 7mo ago
    As far as I can tell, the people affected are primarily those using their Claude code tokens for openclaw or similar and burning as many tokens as possible
    - ikidd 7mo ago
      Go read https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 This isn't a OC yahoo.
- politelemon 7mo ago
  Different people have completely different experiences as they perform different tasks, that shouldn't be difficult to understand. It's a bit like the purported degradation of quality of Google search. It is still excellent for me but I don't doubt that others are experiencing it.
  - halJordan 7mo ago
nikolay 7mo ago
[flagged]
- nemomarx 7mo ago
  was it? I thought they had already dropped Anthropic by that point?
  - jsbisviewtiful 7mo ago
    I forget the timeline of events but the school bombing was within a very short timeframe of the announcement - a short enough timeframe that no rip and replace could have happened yet.
  - nikolay 7mo ago
    I guess you've not been keeping up with the news. It's been used for at least 1,000 strikes in Iran.
  - megous 7mo ago
    preparation for the initial strike has to have been going on for months
ece 7mo ago
In all honesty you'd have to be living under a fucking rock the last 10 years to think these APIs wouldn't be locked down to make more money for their owners. Who is surprised? Not me running models on my spark cluster.
AlexErrant 7mo ago
tldr: * Banning OpenClaw via system prompt filtering * Unclear TOS, citing Matt Pocock who sells a course on Claude (and therefore his interests are aligned with Anthropic): > I have never before experienced, from any developer tool, such a frustrating lack of clarity over the basic terms of usage. I personally asked, 3 weeks ago, and have received nothing but delays. The recent @bcherny announcement did absolutely nothing to clarify things. More details: https://xcancel.com/mattpocockuk/status/2040536403289764275 https://xcancel.com/mattpocockuk/status/2040536403289764275 * And finally refusing to help a user debug issues with Dropbox, repeatedly saying "I'm best suited for software engineering" and "this is a question for Dropbox support" (paraphrasing Claude).
amelius 7mo ago
Can't they just throttle Claw usage if they are so worried that it may use up all their resources?
infecto 7mo ago
Is Claude code really refusing to do none coding tasks because thats not my experience even as of today and I would have expected those tokens are being accounted for the same way as a Claude.ai chat. Seems like all of this is gripes over blocking openclaw which I just cannot take seriously.
- AlotOfReading 7mo ago
  Earlier today I had an agent refuse to integrate a proprietary library until I reassured it there was a signed license agreement with the authors. Otherwise it threatened to "escalate this session to the legal department". First time I've seen prompt injection by header copyright warnings.
  - quietsegfault 7mo ago
    Earlier today I had Claude manage a TV show downloading system, and then it hacked a NES rom for me, setting up a web site so my kid could just go to a page to play it. So, I guess it’s not uniform.
  - infecto 7mo ago
    I don’t think alignment hiccups are the same as it refusing to do non-coding tasks. Both are refusals but different reasoning. I have yet to see Claude code complain about noncoding tasks and I am willing to bet the majority of complaints here are because of openclaw.
rdevilla 7mo ago
[flagged]
- on_the_train 7mo ago
  Because it's a clickbait title
  - rdevilla 7mo ago
    Understood. I will now aggressively flag so called "clickbait" on HN.
tim-tday 7mo ago
Support your argument with specific evidence or GTFO
rurban 7mo ago
See https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796
- ikidd 7mo ago
  Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47660925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47660925
sunaookami 7mo ago
oh this theo guy again who is constantly complaining about some obscure "issue" he has, writes conspiracy theories about them, blasts anyone who critizies him all while making excuses for OpenAI (in which he - surprise! - is an investor in). And of course he has replies disabled ;) Typical modern "techfluencer".

70 points by tosh 7mo ago

https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605 https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605

Who wants to follow a link to an untagged [video]? Please tag video submissions so that those of us who don’t care for them can save a click / tap.

cdrnsf 7mo ago

https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605 https://xcancel.com/GergelyOrosz/status/2041133254586122605

deleted 7mo ago
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drakythe 7mo ago

tl;dr: Dude thinks Anthropic is making claude worse on purpose to cut down on GPU usage and/or increase income. He recommends using Codex instead. This video should have been a text tweet. I'm 3 minutes in and he has done an ad read and shown that Anthropic wasn't kidding about removing the ability for Claude to be used with OpenClaw without paying for additional usage. And now he says he's going into his _actual_ problem with the service. EDIT: I have fast forwarded to 8 minutes in an he is still going on about Open Claw. Apparently they have banned mention of open claw in the system prompts. And it can trigger your extra charges even if you're not _using_ Open Claw, just mentioning it. EDIT 2: forwarded again. He went into something about his app and how he is concerned about whether his app will be allowed to continue doing this and that he would take Anthropic to court if that suddenly changed? But then he talks about how he likes using Claude for debugging misc issues outside of this app. Why did he bring the app up? And he is upset that Claude is telling him that it can't help him with random tech support questions like "Why is my dropbox icon not showing up in the MacOS menu?" We're now 16:45 in and this is his personal _conspiracy theory_ about Anthropic doing this stuff specifically so it doesn't work for Open Claw. This is a 24 minute rant that the tool he didn't understand before is now telling him he doesn't understand the tool and he should look elsewhere for specific answers. But Codex did what he wanted. So okay. "All without opening a browser" -- I... have so many responses that are unkind. This isn't Anthropic burning dev good will. This is Anthropic being a capitalist company.

pixl97 7mo ago
>And it can trigger your extra charges even if you're not _using_ Open Claw, just mentioning it. Eh, I can only imagine this could get them in legal trouble in places that have actual consumer protections.
taiwks 7mo ago
It's a Theo post, I see him and go oh I don't care / need his opinion on anything.
xingped 7mo ago
I am actually glad that YouTube now has Gemini integrated with a little popout section that I can just ask to summarize the video. Half the videos I pass by these days I prefer just a quick summarize and 30s read-through over a half-hour long video comprised of 90% useless fluff. Milk the ad revenue, I guess, but most of these videos could have been a tweet for all the content they actually contain.
gherkinnn 7mo ago
This Theo can be safely ignored. He built his audience shilling for Next.js in hour long roundabout videos and now seemingly moved on to doing the same for whatever else is happening. A tech influencer.

WaryByDesign 7mo ago

I have truly no idea what this is all about. OAuth login issues aside (which have been a thing on-and-off for a while now, and I hope they fix soon), Claude's performance and responses have been entirely stable for me for like, forever.

schmookeeg 7mo ago
Same for me. I have been max200 for like 10 months, i think my usage is reasonable, and i never seem to get the quality throttling that gets complaints daily. I assume they are targeting certain piggies at the Claude buffet, who then squeal the loudest.
- simplify 7mo ago
  Same here, maybe we're grandfathered into a good plan or something.
- Ferret7446 7mo ago
  As far as I can tell, the people affected are primarily those using their Claude code tokens for openclaw or similar and burning as many tokens as possible
  - ikidd 7mo ago
    Go read https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 This isn't a OC yahoo.
politelemon 7mo ago
Different people have completely different experiences as they perform different tasks, that shouldn't be difficult to understand. It's a bit like the purported degradation of quality of Google search. It is still excellent for me but I don't doubt that others are experiencing it.
- halJordan 7mo ago

nikolay 7mo ago

[flagged]

nemomarx 7mo ago
was it? I thought they had already dropped Anthropic by that point?
- jsbisviewtiful 7mo ago
  I forget the timeline of events but the school bombing was within a very short timeframe of the announcement - a short enough timeframe that no rip and replace could have happened yet.
- nikolay 7mo ago
  I guess you've not been keeping up with the news. It's been used for at least 1,000 strikes in Iran.
- megous 7mo ago
  preparation for the initial strike has to have been going on for months

ece 7mo ago

In all honesty you'd have to be living under a fucking rock the last 10 years to think these APIs wouldn't be locked down to make more money for their owners. Who is surprised? Not me running models on my spark cluster.

AlexErrant 7mo ago

tldr: * Banning OpenClaw via system prompt filtering * Unclear TOS, citing Matt Pocock who sells a course on Claude (and therefore his interests are aligned with Anthropic): > I have never before experienced, from any developer tool, such a frustrating lack of clarity over the basic terms of usage. I personally asked, 3 weeks ago, and have received nothing but delays. The recent @bcherny announcement did absolutely nothing to clarify things. More details: https://xcancel.com/mattpocockuk/status/2040536403289764275 https://xcancel.com/mattpocockuk/status/2040536403289764275 * And finally refusing to help a user debug issues with Dropbox, repeatedly saying "I'm best suited for software engineering" and "this is a question for Dropbox support" (paraphrasing Claude).

amelius 7mo ago

Can't they just throttle Claw usage if they are so worried that it may use up all their resources?

infecto 7mo ago

Is Claude code really refusing to do none coding tasks because thats not my experience even as of today and I would have expected those tokens are being accounted for the same way as a Claude.ai chat. Seems like all of this is gripes over blocking openclaw which I just cannot take seriously.

AlotOfReading 7mo ago
Earlier today I had an agent refuse to integrate a proprietary library until I reassured it there was a signed license agreement with the authors. Otherwise it threatened to "escalate this session to the legal department". First time I've seen prompt injection by header copyright warnings.
- quietsegfault 7mo ago
  Earlier today I had Claude manage a TV show downloading system, and then it hacked a NES rom for me, setting up a web site so my kid could just go to a page to play it. So, I guess it’s not uniform.
- infecto 7mo ago
  I don’t think alignment hiccups are the same as it refusing to do non-coding tasks. Both are refusals but different reasoning. I have yet to see Claude code complain about noncoding tasks and I am willing to bet the majority of complaints here are because of openclaw.

rdevilla 7mo ago

[flagged]

on_the_train 7mo ago
Because it's a clickbait title
- rdevilla 7mo ago
  Understood. I will now aggressively flag so called "clickbait" on HN.

tim-tday 7mo ago

Support your argument with specific evidence or GTFO

rurban 7mo ago

See https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/42796

ikidd 7mo ago
Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47660925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47660925

sunaookami 7mo ago

oh this theo guy again who is constantly complaining about some obscure "issue" he has, writes conspiracy theories about them, blasts anyone who critizies him all while making excuses for OpenAI (in which he - surprise! - is an investor in). And of course he has replies disabled ;) Typical modern "techfluencer".