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- imdsm 6mo agoI watched "One Battle After Another" and it shows how deranged people are. I don't think its a new thing, I just think in any stable society, people who don't thrive eventually find a way to destroy the society in the hope whatever comes next will serve them better. In a society where hard work and intelligent gives you an advantage, it stands to reason that lazy, stupid people will need to play differently in order to win. I can't wait to read wikipedia in 30 years.
- fcarraldo 6mo agoI'm sorry, your takeaway from that film was that Sean Penn was the good guy?
- akramachamarei 6mo agoThis is a pretty obvious misinterpretation. Protagonist bad ≠ antagonist good. This isn't even the law of the excluded middle because there was only ever a statistical relationship between the morality of narrative opponents.
- delis-thumbs-7e 6mo ago> In a society where hard work and intelligent gives you an advantage Which society is this, Sweden? Xi Jinping is pretty smart and hard working, is China being demolished by lazy dumb twats? Because it seems to me its US that is overrun bu stupidity and sheer lazyness right now, but it seems to be because it rewards people like Musk, Trump etc.
- lynndotpy 6mo agoIsn't the film fiction? I haven't seen it but I would refrain from using a fiction film as something to measure "how deranged people are" by.
- ks2048 6mo ago> I just think in any stable society, people who don't thrive eventually find a way to destroy the society in the hope whatever comes next will serve them better. It seems our society is being destroyed by people who are thriving the most.
- cryptoegorophy 6mo agoToday’s world is messed up. Look at EU leaders rubbing shoulders with Syrian president/ex-terrorist.
- the_duke 6mo agoThat's in part because many EU countries would like to ship the Syrian refugees back to Syria.
- glawre 6mo agoDon't forget Trump rubbing shoulders with al-Sharaa either.
- lostlogin 6mo agoAnd Putin, and Orban etc.
- lenerdenator 6mo agoToday's? We were shuffling capital to China after Tiananmen Square. People were talking about how we should have left Saddam alone because of how "orderly" Iraq was under his boot. Europeans were happy to ink the plans for Nordstream 2 after Russia sent tanks into Georgia, and Russia received no less than a FIFA World Cup and Olympic games after seizing Crimea. There is incredibly little will to stick to the whole "humans have rights and we should have a rules-based international order" when the rubber meets the road.
- acessoproibido 6mo agorules-based international order is mostly a propaganda term that the Us empire invented. It also was mostly "rules for thee but not for me" Its a nice thing in theory but in practice power always overruled morals and I think the current US admin not only freely admits this but also kind of rubs your nose in it. In a way its less hypocritical than previously but also incredibly sobering for someone who grew up in a seemingly more "stable" world
- lenerdenator 6mo agoThere's an implicit tolerance of authoritarian regimes so long as the price is right. This is nothing new.
- raincole 6mo agoWhich one? If you mean Iran, "100s of" seems like a weird understatement.
- pasquinelli 6mo agowhat numbers can you trust? i mean, you can trust whatever suits you, but *i* don't trust, really, any of the things i hear about the global bad guys, particularly iran when america is making war on them or building a case for war.
- akramachamarei 6mo agoHow about start with the number that the regime itself admits to; namely, thousands of protestors killed.
- throwuxiytayq 6mo agoThe number is well in the thousands/tens of thousands, and we have no way of knowing precisely because, well, it's a dictatorial regime.
- pasquinelli 6mo agoalso because, well, our dictatorial regime.
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- josefritzishere 6mo agoI appreciate that this statement accurately describes all three regimes primarily involved without naming one.
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- titanomachy 6mo agoYou probably have to wait 2 more years to see if they're really a dictatorship, for the time being at least they still have an electoral mandate.
- dbdr 6mo agoHaving an electoral mandate is a necessary condition, not a sufficient one. If you don't follow your own laws and your own constitution, for instance, you're not a in a democracy, even if you have been elected. Precisely because you are elected under the assumption that you will follow the laws and constitution, not have unlimited power to do whatever you like until the next elections.
- platinumrad 6mo agoThe Trump regime is still borderline, but I think it's fair to call Netanyahu a dictator at this point.
- edgyquant 6mo agoWho exactly are you talking about?
- barbazoo 6mo agohttps://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blame-for-the-iran-school-bombing-the-truth-is-far-more-worrying https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam... > On the first morning of Operation Epic Fury, 28 February 2026, American forces struck the Shajareh Tayyebeh primary school in Minab, in southern Iran, hitting the building at least two times during the morning session. American forces killed between 175 and 180 people, most of them girls between the ages of seven and 12
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- platinumrad 6mo agoI agree with you on principle, but you're oversimplifying things if you think that opposition to the United States or Israel is all about a single person.
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- jdthedisciple 6mo agoSo instead we must side with another regime that slaughtered 72'000 innocent civilians of another country, most of whom were women and children?
- ted_bunny 6mo agoThat 72k is a bare minimum. Those are just the recovered and identified bodies.
- praptak 6mo agoA regime driven by a weird religious cult and murdering their own citizens is battling a regime which is driven by a weird religious cult and is murdering their own citizens. I think in this situation it is okay to cheer on both sides.
- alberto-m 6mo agoChurchill and Eisenhower beg to disagree. When everyone is bad, you focus on restraining the most powerful actor first.
- barbazoo 6mo agoCheck out the history behind this and how the US has treated Iran because of their Oil for almost a hundred years now. This is 100% on the west in my opinion. We've been abusing these people for the longest time.
- cobbzilla 6mo agoBefore the US it was the British with BP. Before the British with BP it was the British East India Company. Before the British EIC there were various periods of Arab, Turk and Mongol control. Persia has been a political football since Alexander the Great. Cursed geography.
- pasquinelli 6mo agoi really can't tell which side you're talking about
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- jmyeet 6mo agoYou mean like siding with the dictatorial regime that provided material support to the 9/11 hijackers, 15/19 of whom were nationals of that country? And then we wanted to question 3 menders of the royal family who were implicated they all mysteriously fell out of windows, died in a car accident or otherwise died? Another national was a renowned arms dealer linked to both Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. And then that arms dealer’s nephew was chopped up in a foreign embassy and taken away in pieces? They murdered thousands of our citizens let alone theirs. What leg do we have to stand on here exactly?
- bigtex88 6mo agoWho is siding with Iran?
- some_random 6mo agoMost commenters in this thread.
- some_random 6mo agoCue dozens of comments doing exactly that...
- regularization 6mo ago> Siding with a dictatorial regime Right, Iran used to have a parliament with Mossadegh as prime minister, what happened there? Oh yaa, Mossadegh wanted Iranian oil for Iranians, so the US and UK overthrew Mossadegh, with the help of conservative mullahs, and installed a dictatorship. Then SAVAK with CIA help spent decades slaughtering the secular opposition. > that’s murdered 100s of their own people There are armed Balochi and Kurdish separatists shooting at the Iranian army right now, no doubt with clandestine Israeli and US support. Incidentally the Kurds had their own state at the end of WWII, until the US and UK made them dissolve into Iran. Also aside from the bombings, the Basij have been fired on from the ground and have fired back. Who is arming the people shooting at the Basij is unknown, but some signs point to Israel. I write this less than three months after armed federal personnel decided to march into Minneapolis and among other things kill a nurse and also a woman. > and aided terrorist organizations The Arabs in southern Lebanon and the Gaza strip have lived there a long time. Over the past century Zionist Jews from around the world have been invading their land, shooting, bombing, starving them. If they fight back the epithet terrorist is applied to them, and if these brave men fighting for their people are assigned the word, it gives it a great esteem.
- michaelcampbell 6mo agomultiple things can be bad at the same time.
- spwa4 6mo agoOf course Mossadegh was "not ideal", but the current regime are genocidal islamists that over time have taken more and more to massacring their own population for ever more reasons. A pinprick and metastasizing cancer are both bad in absolute terms, but not remotely comparable.
- ted_bunny 6mo agoWhat genocide did they commit?
- Mikhail_Edoshin 6mo agoThere was an interview with a historian and he said an interesting thing about the ancient Sparta: "Everything we know about Sparta we know from its enemies".
- ryandrake 6mo agoI think it's possible to have a grown-up discussion about the production value, cultural relevance, and effectiveness of propaganda without "siding" with the videos' sponsors. This appears to be an uncomfortable case of bad people speaking at least some truth--to the point where it's resonating.
- swat535 6mo ago> Siding with a dictatorial regime that’s murdered 100s of their own people and aided terrorist organizations I'm getting really tired of this. United States and Israel have bombed and killed more innocent people than I can count on. The biggest terrorist regime is United States right now, bombing schools. Your own president tweets out war crimes, your secretary of defense proudly proclaims "no quarters" and "send them back to the stone age". Do me a favor, and please lay off the morality lecture. How about you talk about the Gaza genocide for once? Or the IRAQ war that killed millions of people? Or using nuclear weapons on Japan? or the killing and raping of Vietnamese ? Or the fact that you backed Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iranians during the 8 year war?
- victorbjorklund 6mo agoWhile Iran is bad - US is engaged in war crimes (they even brag about it). It’s like when Russians defend their war crimes by saying that Ukraine is corrupt.
- torlok 6mo agoI will side with any country that's being illegally attacked, and whose population is being illegally targeted, thank you very much. Sovereignty is fundamental, it's been broken. The state of Iran is the result of US and Israeli meddling. There was time for criticizing Iran before it was attacked.
- adrian_b 6mo agoWhen I first heard about the protests in Iran, I assigned automatically the blame on the dictatorial regime. Nevertheless, after the following events and after extra information provided by the US government itself, this is no longer so clear cut. The truth is that we do not really know what happened in Iran, how many have been killed and whether that was really an internal protest against the regime or a coup attempt organized by USA. The timing of the protests is too suspicious. The most plausible hypothesis is that US/Israeli agents have initiated the protests by influencing a great number of well-intended internal opponents of the regime, who probably have suffered then most from this action. If some of the opposition had received US weapons, that can explain the paranoia of the dictatorial regime, even if there is little doubt that the retaliations against the opposition must have affected many who had no ties with USA or Israel. Until credible information will surface about what really happened in Iran at the beginning of the year, we can affirm only that it is likely that the dictatorial regime has killed or tortured many non-violent opponents, but there is nothing certain about this. On the other hand, the unprovoked crimes committed by USA since the beginning of the year against countries like Iran or Cuba are certain facts, about which there exists no doubt whatsoever, because the top US officials are bragging about them. For all we know, USA might have already killed more Iranian civilians than the Iran government, so any claims that the attacks done by USA are somehow intended for supporting the Iranian people, are completely ridiculous.
- ndiddy 6mo agoTrump said on Sunday that the US at least tried to arm the protestors. > The U.S. sent guns to anti-regime protesters in Iran amid the wider war against Tehran, President Donald Trump confirmed to Fox News on Sunday. > Trump made the comment during an interview with Fox News' Try Yingst, saying the U.S. delivered the weapons through the Kurds. > "We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds. And I think the Kurds kept them," Trump said. https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/us-iran-trump-israel-war-live-updates-april-5#post-0ba88ac https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/us-iran-trump-israel-war-l...
- lostlogin 6mo agoThe story seems plausible but the source is as poor as they get. Trump facts change so quickly.
- thendrill 6mo agoDo you mean the US of I? Remember Snowden? Remmeber Assange? Remember Aaron Swartz? Remember the terrorizing of Occupy Wallstreet organizers? Remember the funding of terrorists all over Africa? Remember Libya? Remember who funded Isis? Is that regime you are talking about?
- tomjen3 6mo agoYou are absolutely correct. However, I fear you're running up against the basic human instinct of "my enemy's enemy is my friend.". I also wonder how many actually support them, and how much is just a result of opinions boosted by bots?
- dang 6mo agoNo doubt, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News and please especially don't start flamewars. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html