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Or, it might be the case that the prior regime had tactfully hidden all of those things being accused by the GP's comment, and this regime is simply doing it in

by chii 6mo ago

Or, it might be the case that the prior regime had tactfully hidden all of those things being accused by the GP's comment, and this regime is simply doing it in the open with no regard.

delfinom 6mo ago
Its baby boomers on their last hoorah as they head to their graves. Burning and taking everything with them. Meh
- wickedsickeune 6mo ago
  JD Vance is 41 years old. Certainly not a boomer, and has aligning views with Trump
estearum 6mo ago
Even if this were true (which of course it's not), doing bad stuff in the open actually is far and more deleterious to the fabric of society than doing bad stuff in secret.
- TremendousJudge 6mo ago
  for which society? the American society, maybe? they get to feel good about themselves for the societies all over the globe that have been the targets of such policies for more than a century, I think it's better to call a spade a spade. the non-American politicians and aristocrats that benefit from US imperialism get to hide much better if the Americans are "the good guys"
  - estearum 6mo ago
    No even for other societies, it would be far worse if American politicians felt no imperative (moral, political, economic, or otherwise) to not behave like raving lunatics. This is of course what we're seeing today, where Trump is just discovering his taste for utilizing American military power to achieve his whims. Hopefully we get bogged down in Iran enough not to continue, but obviously as soon as we started the Iran conflict, the GOP was already talking about "Cuba's next" etc, which is obviously the start of an infinitely long list of places to "liberate." This situation is far worse for everyone than the one where the US is mostly benign (despite mistakes) relative to its incredible power.
- Gud 6mo ago
  It is absolutely true. The USA has a history of making shit up, kill some million(s) of people, steal their oil. The only difference is that Donald Trump doesn’t care about plausible deniability at all, unlike previous presidents,which is why the American public remembers (the demons) George Bush neutral or slightly positive. They should both have died in prison.
  - _kulang 6mo ago
    This is an extremely popular view that recently has been disseminated and while based on fact, is emotional propaganda. It basically exists as a justification for Trump’ and this administrations actions, along the lines of “they’ve always done it, at least we don’t hide it” and gives them a combination of legitimacy and a strange sense of “doing the right thing”. I understand that it’s true that the USA has been problematic in the past but in this case, the story being sold to people about the US “always” having been bad exists to convince people that there is no other way, and you either have to accept it or tear it all down. Interestingly both benefit the current administration
    - Gud 6mo ago
      No, this is not “propaganda “ to justify anything Trump is up to. The USA has not been “problematic”, it has enforced a particular ideology on the world with the rest of us unwilling participants. The USA has repeatedly overthrown diplomatically elected leaders(Iran ironically being the best example, a democratic government toppled because it was stopping American business interests and democratising its oil resources) so the USAs ownership class can make their fortunes. Sometimes , it has stopped elections, exterminated millions, set their villages on fire, because the people were picking the wrong ideology. Remove your rose tinted glasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
      - estearum 6mo ago
        Yes those are all bad and you are naive if you think a USA that relishes brutality could not or would not be 1000x worse. Militarily, the US can trivially eradicate entire countries. It is “only” our leadership and their sense of morals (imperfect and spotty as they are) that prevents this.

by chii 6mo ago

Or, it might be the case that the prior regime had tactfully hidden all of those things being accused by the GP's comment, and this regime is simply doing it in the open with no regard.

delfinom 6mo ago

Its baby boomers on their last hoorah as they head to their graves. Burning and taking everything with them. Meh

wickedsickeune 6mo ago
JD Vance is 41 years old. Certainly not a boomer, and has aligning views with Trump

estearum 6mo ago

Even if this were true (which of course it's not), doing bad stuff in the open actually is far and more deleterious to the fabric of society than doing bad stuff in secret.

TremendousJudge 6mo ago
for which society? the American society, maybe? they get to feel good about themselves for the societies all over the globe that have been the targets of such policies for more than a century, I think it's better to call a spade a spade. the non-American politicians and aristocrats that benefit from US imperialism get to hide much better if the Americans are "the good guys"
- estearum 6mo ago
  No even for other societies, it would be far worse if American politicians felt no imperative (moral, political, economic, or otherwise) to not behave like raving lunatics. This is of course what we're seeing today, where Trump is just discovering his taste for utilizing American military power to achieve his whims. Hopefully we get bogged down in Iran enough not to continue, but obviously as soon as we started the Iran conflict, the GOP was already talking about "Cuba's next" etc, which is obviously the start of an infinitely long list of places to "liberate." This situation is far worse for everyone than the one where the US is mostly benign (despite mistakes) relative to its incredible power.
Gud 6mo ago
It is absolutely true. The USA has a history of making shit up, kill some million(s) of people, steal their oil. The only difference is that Donald Trump doesn’t care about plausible deniability at all, unlike previous presidents,which is why the American public remembers (the demons) George Bush neutral or slightly positive. They should both have died in prison.
- _kulang 6mo ago
  This is an extremely popular view that recently has been disseminated and while based on fact, is emotional propaganda. It basically exists as a justification for Trump’ and this administrations actions, along the lines of “they’ve always done it, at least we don’t hide it” and gives them a combination of legitimacy and a strange sense of “doing the right thing”. I understand that it’s true that the USA has been problematic in the past but in this case, the story being sold to people about the US “always” having been bad exists to convince people that there is no other way, and you either have to accept it or tear it all down. Interestingly both benefit the current administration
  - Gud 6mo ago
    No, this is not “propaganda “ to justify anything Trump is up to. The USA has not been “problematic”, it has enforced a particular ideology on the world with the rest of us unwilling participants. The USA has repeatedly overthrown diplomatically elected leaders(Iran ironically being the best example, a democratic government toppled because it was stopping American business interests and democratising its oil resources) so the USAs ownership class can make their fortunes. Sometimes , it has stopped elections, exterminated millions, set their villages on fire, because the people were picking the wrong ideology. Remove your rose tinted glasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
    - estearum 6mo ago
      Yes those are all bad and you are naive if you think a USA that relishes brutality could not or would not be 1000x worse. Militarily, the US can trivially eradicate entire countries. It is “only” our leadership and their sense of morals (imperfect and spotty as they are) that prevents this.