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Back when it used military power to commit war crimes the world over, and gained or maintained financial capital supremacy from it? As compared to now, when it
by llmthrow0827 6mo ago
Back when it used military power to commit war crimes the world over, and gained or maintained financial capital supremacy from it?
As compared to now, when it can only use military power to commit war crimes on a smaller scale, and is throwing away American hegemony in the process?
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- throwaway290 6mo agoWhen it was stable and didn't do bad things blatantly like it's the norm.
- MSFT_Edging 6mo ago> didn't do bad things blatantly like it's the norm. Sorry to break it to you, but heads in sand doesn't make history not happen...
- throwaway290 6mo agoI totally agree. Just remember that current events also happen and become history. maybe you picked your side, that's your choice.
- throwaway290 6mo agoSorry to break it to you but vague empty remarks don't make arguments happen. One of us has head in the sand but you're wrong who it is.
- MSFT_Edging 6mo agoCrazy how you replied twice, two hours apart. Vietnam is still suffering from agent orange.
- throwaway290 6mo agoJust thought of a better one and couldn't edit. I'm in vietnam sometimes and have friends there. How is it suffering? because it's news to me.
- throawayonthe 6mo ago[flagged]
- throwaway290 6mo agono, you!
- piva00 6mo agoThat was a very narrow window of time, mostly the time between the fall of the USSR ending the Cold War up to 9/11, so about a 10 years period since the end of WW2. Before that the USA was aiding and fostering violent dictatorships, helping them to perform coups all around if they were amenable to the US's interests (aka: they were anti-commies) like in Latin America, Iran itself, etc.; bombing countries where their right-wing coups failed like in Vietnam during its independence period after French rule, for example.
- throwaway290 6mo agoThere were fuckups too but the declared goals were usually not bad. Now declared goals seem bad. The language is the language of hate. It's a big change. and this is not north korea. it's one of the most powerful country and definitely most influential in the world See for yourself compared to the past https://youtu.be/X6GRMdn8ZD4?t=6 https://youtu.be/X6GRMdn8ZD4?t=6 And now tell me it's all the same as before and I'm burying my head in the sand.
- scarecrowbob 6mo agoNaw, sorry, reading through this thread you're burying your head in the sand; sorry, just calling balls and strikes. I say that as a person who is out in the streets in the US doing what we can against the current government. But to be honest, we were out in the streets before. The difference is that you were at brunch and didn't notice.
- throwaway290 6mo agoI wasn't asking you. > But to be honest, we were out in the streets before. Who is "we"? Do you remember your past lives? If you are fighting against every government when you will realize you should maybe just move to another country? I'm not american or from US but this reads like mental illness
- p-e-w 6mo agoPeople only notice now because the “right” kind of people are suddenly affected. Just like the invasion of Ukraine became the most important topic globally for years, and made everyone virtue signal about how important sovereignty supposedly is, whereas sovereignty somehow didn’t matter in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Mali, South Sudan, Iran, Lebanon, and I don’t know where else.
- mpalmer 6mo agoUkraine is a pre-existing ally of Europe and the US. Why are you making this about "the right kind of people".
- pjc50 6mo agoIt's notable how little effort they've put into legitimacy for the Iran war, compared to the "coalition of the willing".
- vachina 6mo ago> reposting a flagged and deleted comment to this comment (why?) The big difference before was that america commit war crimes, but it did so in a socially acceptable way and was able to keep a polite face in important company. It's like how being a manager at tech companies is 95% speaking affluently and sounding like you know what you're doing (and also like 80% being white). We used to sound like we knew what we were doing. Now we don't.
- EdwardDiego 6mo agoYeah actually that was preferable. Go look at the fuel prices around the world if you want to analyse why.
- llmthrow0827 6mo agoI don't mind paying more at the pump in the short term if it means the end of the American empire.
- fmajid 6mo agoIn a delicious irony, Trump is accelerating the transition to renewables he hates so much.
- BigTTYGothGF 6mo agoFuel prices need to be a lot higher.
- palata 6mo ago> compared to now, when it can only use military power to commit war crimes on a smaller scale The fact that the US is not as powerful as it used to be may actually make it dangerous. "On a smaller scale" doesn't mean it cannot destroy the world's economy, as we are seeing now.
- mpalmer 6mo agoYou sound like someone who learns all the memes about why the US is bad. Have you learned other memes, or maybe any history?
- y-curious 6mo agoReading hackernews comments in the morning from Europeans always wakes me up. It’s like a Markov chain of Reddit comments about how Europe doesn’t need the US
- jjtwixman 6mo ago[flagged]
- y-curious 6mo agoI didn’t vote him in, I’m just dealing with the consequences. That being said, how’s the military spending coming along guys?
- jjtwixman 6mo agoWe'll be alright, unlike you we only really need to defend ourselves and don't invade random countries all over the world to please Israel and bring about Jesus' second coming, so we probably don't need such a huge military budget like you guys. Meanwhile your empire is collapsing because you voted for a retarded paedophile. It's so sad and humiliating to have your country led by a retarded paedohpile. Way more cringe than simply having a low military budget. Thoughts and prayers as you say.
- croes 6mo ago> maybe any history? What do you think the memes are based on?
- michaelt 6mo agoI want America to go back to being as it was in precisely 1998. When there'd be UN resolutions before the armed intervention, a casus belli with (non-fake) evidence of genocide, a peacekeeping force with troops from 39 countries, and captured leaders tried. And the peacekeeping force was able to deliver peace reasonably effectively, instead of bleeding troops and money for decades on end. And although to some it seemed like an American president trying to distract domestic political attention from his sexual misdeeds, it was just a consensual blowjob from an adult woman. Peace had just come to Northern Ireland, western relations were improving with Russia (newly democratic) and China (sure to soon adopt democracy as they open up to the world). The first parts of the International Space Station had just been launched. School shootings weren't a thing, the one a year later would be shocking and the cause of major soul-searching. Also Half-Life was game of the year.
- ninkendo 6mo ago“Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as [AI] started thinking for you it really became [AI’s] civilization, which is of course what this is all about.” — Agent Smith, looking out the window at a circa-1998 American city skyline
- mindslight 6mo agos/AI/capital/g. In general, but it works really well for that quote. The problem, as always, isn't the technology. Rather it's how people with power use the technology. Today that technology is"AI". But several decades ago it was the replacement of human judgement with financial modeling and line-goes-up über alles. (note that even though I'm critiquing "capital" I'm not what you would call an anti-capitalist)
- JeremyNT 6mo ago> Back when it used military power to commit war crimes the world over, and gained or maintained financial capital supremacy from it? As compared to now, when it can only use military power to commit war crimes on a smaller scale, and is throwing away American hegemony in the process? Such comments either are propaganda or they play into the hands of propagandists. There is a huge difference in the degree of corruption and malfeasance of this administration. Implying that the current regime is so similar to prior ones downplays the critical importance of restoring competence.
- chii 6mo agoOr, it might be the case that the prior regime had tactfully hidden all of those things being accused by the GP's comment, and this regime is simply doing it in the open with no regard.
- delfinom 6mo agoIts baby boomers on their last hoorah as they head to their graves. Burning and taking everything with them. Meh
- wickedsickeune 6mo agoJD Vance is 41 years old. Certainly not a boomer, and has aligning views with Trump
- estearum 6mo agoEven if this were true (which of course it's not), doing bad stuff in the open actually is far and more deleterious to the fabric of society than doing bad stuff in secret.
- TremendousJudge 6mo agofor which society? the American society, maybe? they get to feel good about themselves for the societies all over the globe that have been the targets of such policies for more than a century, I think it's better to call a spade a spade. the non-American politicians and aristocrats that benefit from US imperialism get to hide much better if the Americans are "the good guys"
- exiguus 6mo agoYa, like the intervention in the Balkan war (Europeans just looked the genocide). Or like the Iraq wars to keep the world oil and gas consumption running. Or the nuclear shield in germany to prevent Russia to invade Europe since the cold war. There are always two sides to every coin.