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Anthropic is not meaningfully better. Their stance is “the good guys have to make money to be in the fight with the bad guys” and so they do all the things thei

by yalogin 7mo ago

Anthropic is not meaningfully better. Their stance is “the good guys have to make money to be in the fight with the bad guys” and so they do all the things their perceived bad guys do. I don’t know how they can do any different, but we just trust them to be good? What is the difference?

jes5199 7mo ago
somewhat better leadership, I think
henry2023 7mo ago
The difference is no mass surveillance of US Citizens and no killing weapons without human supervision. OpenAI is fine with those as long as they are "legal"... So pretty much they don't care at all. I agree Anthropic is no saint but it's much, much better than OpenAI.
xnx 7mo ago
Approximately same service for half the valuation is definitely better. That said, Anthropomorphic is also very overvalued
jimbokun 7mo ago
I just appreciate the honesty of Amodei telling us pretty much straight up we’re all fucked because the AIs are taking all the jobs in a couple years or less.
- honeycrispy 7mo ago
  He's just another con-man. Fear of missing out is an amazing motivator for investors. The more he shouts doom, the more people with very deep pockets throw money at him. It's all evil.
- depressedpanda 7mo ago
  Honesty? Sounds like investor hype to me.
  - threethirtytwo 7mo ago
    It's not pure hype. The linear trendline of AI in the last couple of years from chatbot to autocomplete to agentic coding does point to developer replacement in a couple years. Now mind you a trendline is a predictor and the trends don't always travel in a line. The future is unknown but a trendline that makes the prediction of AI taking over in a couple of years is not an unrealistic prediction simply because of past progress. That is the most probably conclusion given the information we have. Discarding that as just "hype" just means you're not being very rational or logical which is normal given we're on HN.
  - dgellow 7mo ago
    I of course cannot read his mind but he has been very consistent, even before he was raising money
bob1029 7mo ago
If you look at the engineering, technology, operations, etc., this isn't really a fair fight. I think that's why Anthropic puts so much effort into the other narratives. OAI can play the empire / Death Star angle and get away with it. They've actually got a scary battlestation and anyone interested in capitalizing on the galaxy is going to be drawn to the most powerful laser system in the fleet. I don't have a problem with the non-engineering arguments, but I don't buy that one is more ethical than the other. All of these people are total maniacs. Not just Sam and Elon.
aurareturn 7mo ago
Agreed. I don't like Dario. I enjoy his insights but he comes across as "we are the good guys" and "China is the bad guys". Therefore, we must eliminate our enemy in any way possible, including developing god so we can destroy their civilization first. Just pure propaganda. In my opinion, not so much different than the opinions of the current US whitehouse regime.

by yalogin 7mo ago

jes5199 7mo ago

somewhat better leadership, I think

henry2023 7mo ago

The difference is no mass surveillance of US Citizens and no killing weapons without human supervision. OpenAI is fine with those as long as they are "legal"... So pretty much they don't care at all. I agree Anthropic is no saint but it's much, much better than OpenAI.

xnx 7mo ago

Approximately same service for half the valuation is definitely better. That said, Anthropomorphic is also very overvalued

jimbokun 7mo ago

I just appreciate the honesty of Amodei telling us pretty much straight up we’re all fucked because the AIs are taking all the jobs in a couple years or less.

honeycrispy 7mo ago
He's just another con-man. Fear of missing out is an amazing motivator for investors. The more he shouts doom, the more people with very deep pockets throw money at him. It's all evil.
depressedpanda 7mo ago
Honesty? Sounds like investor hype to me.
- threethirtytwo 7mo ago
  It's not pure hype. The linear trendline of AI in the last couple of years from chatbot to autocomplete to agentic coding does point to developer replacement in a couple years. Now mind you a trendline is a predictor and the trends don't always travel in a line. The future is unknown but a trendline that makes the prediction of AI taking over in a couple of years is not an unrealistic prediction simply because of past progress. That is the most probably conclusion given the information we have. Discarding that as just "hype" just means you're not being very rational or logical which is normal given we're on HN.
- dgellow 7mo ago
  I of course cannot read his mind but he has been very consistent, even before he was raising money

bob1029 7mo ago

If you look at the engineering, technology, operations, etc., this isn't really a fair fight. I think that's why Anthropic puts so much effort into the other narratives. OAI can play the empire / Death Star angle and get away with it. They've actually got a scary battlestation and anyone interested in capitalizing on the galaxy is going to be drawn to the most powerful laser system in the fleet. I don't have a problem with the non-engineering arguments, but I don't buy that one is more ethical than the other. All of these people are total maniacs. Not just Sam and Elon.

aurareturn 7mo ago

Agreed. I don't like Dario. I enjoy his insights but he comes across as "we are the good guys" and "China is the bad guys". Therefore, we must eliminate our enemy in any way possible, including developing god so we can destroy their civilization first. Just pure propaganda. In my opinion, not so much different than the opinions of the current US whitehouse regime.