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Seems pretty easy to me to just stop the war to end this sort of stuff. But I must be missing something.
by wewewedxfgdf 7mo ago
Seems pretty easy to me to just stop the war to end this sort of stuff.
But I must be missing something.
- paulryanrogers 7mo agoTrump must save face. Publicly backing down is only possible once there's some kind of out, probably involving Iran loudly compromising.
- grafmax 7mo agoTrump would also have to navigate the loyalty the US state apparatus has to Israel. Iran has made it clear that the ceasefire option is off the table this time round. So I just don’t see the US extricating itself from this quagmire barring some extreme political upheaval. But who knows, if you take Trump’s incompetence, plus the possibility of global economic collapse, plus the possibility of global food shortages, we just might see it.
- paulpauper 7mo agoTrump is old and a lame duck. I think he sees not backing down in as his last hope of creating a legacy
- CamperBob2 7mo agoThat "lame duck" still owns Congress lock, stock and barrel. Don't underestimate the damage he can still do. The only question is which country he's hurting more, the US or Iran.
- joquarky 7mo ago"Lame duck" doesn't apply as cleanly when Congress is complicit.
- lazyeye 7mo agoThe view from the couch is such that everything seems pretty easy really.
- add-sub-mul-div 7mo agoI remember someone famously once said that the US presidency was going to be easy.
- jameskilton 7mo agoWe are in a really bad situation, of our own making no doubt. We actually have no idea who's in charge of Iran (the stated ruler has yet to be seen and probably was severely injured in the same blast that killed Khamenei), but it's a pretty good bet that they are even more extreme and hard-line than before. We've shown that Iran has complete and total control over the global economy via energy markets. Every other country in the region wants Iran gone. Or to put it in more direct terms, the US kind of needs to "finish the job". If we back down now, Iran wins, and that may actually be the worst possible situation to end up in. To everyone who voted for Trump ... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. THANKS.
- jmye 7mo ago> To everyone who voted for Trump ... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. THANKS. This conflict was obvious and inevitable (and called out by literally anyone with half a brain) and exactly what every single one of them voted for. Don’t ever let them pretend otherwise.
- throwaway25231 7mo ago> To everyone who voted for Trump ... YOU VOTED FOR THIS. THANKS. You might have not voted for Trump, but you sure agree with him on that "finish the job". So... thanks? > If we back down now, Iran wins... How about some radical change and we just let them win and negotiate some better deal for us?
- gos9 7mo agoI DID VOTE FOR ADVANCING AMERICAN INTERESTS, DIDN’T YOU?
- luke5441 7mo agoIrans leadership does not want to be killed by being bombed every few month. So they need to impose sufficient costs to deter bombing them. Idk what you are missing... maybe that people don't want to be killed and try to implement strategies to not get killed?
- spwa4 7mo ago[flagged]
- akagusu 7mo agoJust like ICE killing american citizens? Yeah, what's the problem with that?
- ratrace 7mo ago[dead]
- spwa4 7mo agoOf course these 2 compare about as standing on a random pedestrian's toe compares to massacring a small city. Both regrettable in absolute terms, but not remotely comparable. (why not just the numbers? Because the ICE deaths were definitely not intentional. Nobody gave anybody the order to fire. But Iran's killing of protestors was 100% intentional by the regime. In other words, aside from 2 versus 40.000, all 40.000 Iranian deaths count as 1st degree murder, including the massacre on children Iran's islamists committed)
- akagusu 7mo agoAs an American citizen my concern is the American regime shooting American citizens. I'm not Iranian and I'm not there, but I'm here where ICE can "unintentionally" shot me. And bringing numbers to make them look bad and justify the war doesn't help, because Israel killed much more in Gaza with the help of US government and corporations. Let's compare both them?
- spwa4 7mo ago[flagged]
- akagusu 7mo agoDo you work in arms industry? Because unless you are the arms industry, wasting almost 1 billion dollars per day fighting a war that has nothing to do with us does not seem like "going pretty damn well"