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Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And

by jghn 6mo ago

Last week the US stated they didn't need any of the oil, and that if other countries wanted it they could go figure it out themselves. Looks like they have. And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6mo ago
It is the weekend, of course there is a threat. Tomorrow there will be a deal.
throw949449 6mo ago
New deal: There is a toll 5 million usd per tanker, and oil must be paid in RNB not USD. Basically Iran put sanction on US. I guess Trump expected fight or something.
Spooky23 6mo ago
It’s the same grift all over again. The market will drop 2-3% Monday. Jared and Jr will load up on options, WTI puts, and whatever other BS they do. Then Tuesday we’ll announce that “good talks have happened” and bridge day is delayed. Maybe they’ll roll out the Shah’s nephew or whatever and pave the way for an announcement of a transitional government. They’ll push the strikes until late in the week or early next week to maximize volatility - next Friday is the April options expiry. It likely the Treasury is intervening in the oil markets, so there’s likely a counter-trade there as well. I’ve 3x’d my salary on this trade as an observer, the insiders are printing cash. Eventually the credibility of the office of the POTUS will erode to a point where it is going to blow up, we probably have another 3-5 rounds of this.
e2le 6mo ago
We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democratic norms and institutions that so many of them have claimed to cherish. Before he has dismantled and replaced too many to salvage. Or perhaps they have work tomorrow.
- iJohnDoe 6mo ago
  Worst case there will be another Republican president from the same tribe. We could be in for the same exact chaos and damage for another four years. This could go on for a long time. Remember, Republicans get out and vote. They would rather suffer and destroy America just so the democrats don’t win.
  - ronnier 6mo ago
    I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.
    - watwut 6mo ago
      Everything republican party do and everything republicans vote for ... are fault of the opposition. Always. Republicans are little helpless souls having no choice but cause maxinum harm as long as opposition in any for exists. Look at what that party collectively stands for now, who they kick out and who they keep. They all stand behind trump.
      - devinplatt 6mo ago
        I learned recently that there's actually a name for this concept. Murc's law states that in American politics, only Democrats are assumed to have agency. Presumably democratic reforms could help change the dynamic if they changed the incentives. Right now, it's a politically viable strategy to just obstruct the other party when out of power, and politically unviable strategy for Congress to oppose a president from the same party. Both of which lead to a lot of dysfunction. As an example, if Congress had multimember districts with an appropriate voting system (e.g. ranked choice voting for all members at the same time), then you can effectively nullify the power of gerrymandered voting districts (the current system, where effectively politicians choose voters rather than the other way around). Doing so would elevate the influence of general elections over party primaries. Then representatives would be less afraid of challenges in those primaries, which is currently one of the major disincentives in opposing the president of the same political party (fear of being "primaried").
ndiddy 6mo ago
> And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil. Trump's most recent statement ( https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116351998782539414 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1163519987825... ): "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"
- vkou 6mo ago
  Given the events of the past month... Are we at a point where we can conclusively say that the United States is a country that wants to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth? Bombing them into the stone age where they belong, complete destruction of them, no quarter, decapitation strikes, bridge day, etc?
- rchaud 6mo ago
  There was a time when The Onion might have run a headline like "Concerned over low troop morale, President converts to Islam to inspire spirit of martyrdom". No more.
- morkalork 6mo ago
  He's thiiiiiisss >< close to threatening to drop a nuke on Tehran isn't he
  - rockemsockem 6mo ago
    [flagged]
    - morkalork 6mo ago
      If you're going to judge people's quality of online commentary, I can think of a "bigger fish to fry" than myself. They're even quoted in this very thread!
The_Goonies1985 6mo ago
>And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran... It's not you specifically, but there's a broader sociological problem where we anthropomorphize countries and then claim they are doing things. The average person in the US is not threatening Iran, and rationally the US cannot be said to be threatening Iran. What's happening is that an elite clique of Epstein-adjacent legacy-power-trolls (aka The US Government) are threatening Iran. The US does not have legs, arms, or hands, it cannot do anything. This turn of phrase in which the US (or any country) does something is a semantic-contraption of legacy-power designed to make citizens (whether left, right, or undecided) feel psychologically-responsible for the actions of a entrenched-class of elite-warmongers who do not represent them; and have not represented them for, likely, thousands of years.
Matl 6mo ago
Israel wants to completely destroy Iran so than no one would be willing to in any way challenge its occupation of Palestine, nor its ambition to expand into Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and beyond. Then there's an element of extremist Christian ideology from Pete H. etc. Hormuz has little to do with it, it's just an excuse to destroy Iran. Trump has been convinced that the Iranians are after him, plus there's the Epstein kompromat that the Israelis have on him. He's the only US president compromised enough to destroy Iran for them, war crimes and all.
- postsantum 6mo ago
  The oil narrative is what worked after Iraq war and I am afraid it will work now
Hamuko 6mo ago
>And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil. Because no matter how much they pretend it doesn't affect the US, oil is a global market.

by jghn 6mo ago

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6mo ago

It is the weekend, of course there is a threat. Tomorrow there will be a deal.

throw949449 6mo ago

New deal: There is a toll 5 million usd per tanker, and oil must be paid in RNB not USD. Basically Iran put sanction on US. I guess Trump expected fight or something.

Spooky23 6mo ago

It’s the same grift all over again. The market will drop 2-3% Monday. Jared and Jr will load up on options, WTI puts, and whatever other BS they do. Then Tuesday we’ll announce that “good talks have happened” and bridge day is delayed. Maybe they’ll roll out the Shah’s nephew or whatever and pave the way for an announcement of a transitional government. They’ll push the strikes until late in the week or early next week to maximize volatility - next Friday is the April options expiry. It likely the Treasury is intervening in the oil markets, so there’s likely a counter-trade there as well. I’ve 3x’d my salary on this trade as an observer, the insiders are printing cash. Eventually the credibility of the office of the POTUS will erode to a point where it is going to blow up, we probably have another 3-5 rounds of this.

e2le 6mo ago

We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democratic norms and institutions that so many of them have claimed to cherish. Before he has dismantled and replaced too many to salvage. Or perhaps they have work tomorrow.

iJohnDoe 6mo ago
Worst case there will be another Republican president from the same tribe. We could be in for the same exact chaos and damage for another four years. This could go on for a long time. Remember, Republicans get out and vote. They would rather suffer and destroy America just so the democrats don’t win.
- ronnier 6mo ago
  I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.
  - watwut 6mo ago
    Everything republican party do and everything republicans vote for ... are fault of the opposition. Always. Republicans are little helpless souls having no choice but cause maxinum harm as long as opposition in any for exists. Look at what that party collectively stands for now, who they kick out and who they keep. They all stand behind trump.
    - devinplatt 6mo ago
      I learned recently that there's actually a name for this concept. Murc's law states that in American politics, only Democrats are assumed to have agency. Presumably democratic reforms could help change the dynamic if they changed the incentives. Right now, it's a politically viable strategy to just obstruct the other party when out of power, and politically unviable strategy for Congress to oppose a president from the same party. Both of which lead to a lot of dysfunction. As an example, if Congress had multimember districts with an appropriate voting system (e.g. ranked choice voting for all members at the same time), then you can effectively nullify the power of gerrymandered voting districts (the current system, where effectively politicians choose voters rather than the other way around). Doing so would elevate the influence of general elections over party primaries. Then representatives would be less afraid of challenges in those primaries, which is currently one of the major disincentives in opposing the president of the same political party (fear of being "primaried").

ndiddy 6mo ago

> And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil. Trump's most recent statement ( https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116351998782539414 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1163519987825... ): "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

vkou 6mo ago
Given the events of the past month... Are we at a point where we can conclusively say that the United States is a country that wants to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth? Bombing them into the stone age where they belong, complete destruction of them, no quarter, decapitation strikes, bridge day, etc?
rchaud 6mo ago
There was a time when The Onion might have run a headline like "Concerned over low troop morale, President converts to Islam to inspire spirit of martyrdom". No more.
morkalork 6mo ago
He's thiiiiiisss >< close to threatening to drop a nuke on Tehran isn't he
- rockemsockem 6mo ago
  [flagged]
  - morkalork 6mo ago
    If you're going to judge people's quality of online commentary, I can think of a "bigger fish to fry" than myself. They're even quoted in this very thread!

The_Goonies1985 6mo ago

>And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran... It's not you specifically, but there's a broader sociological problem where we anthropomorphize countries and then claim they are doing things. The average person in the US is not threatening Iran, and rationally the US cannot be said to be threatening Iran. What's happening is that an elite clique of Epstein-adjacent legacy-power-trolls (aka The US Government) are threatening Iran. The US does not have legs, arms, or hands, it cannot do anything. This turn of phrase in which the US (or any country) does something is a semantic-contraption of legacy-power designed to make citizens (whether left, right, or undecided) feel psychologically-responsible for the actions of a entrenched-class of elite-warmongers who do not represent them; and have not represented them for, likely, thousands of years.

Matl 6mo ago

Israel wants to completely destroy Iran so than no one would be willing to in any way challenge its occupation of Palestine, nor its ambition to expand into Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and beyond. Then there's an element of extremist Christian ideology from Pete H. etc. Hormuz has little to do with it, it's just an excuse to destroy Iran. Trump has been convinced that the Iranians are after him, plus there's the Epstein kompromat that the Israelis have on him. He's the only US president compromised enough to destroy Iran for them, war crimes and all.

postsantum 6mo ago
The oil narrative is what worked after Iraq war and I am afraid it will work now

Hamuko 6mo ago

>And yet the US is now back to threatening Iran if they don't open up the oil. Because no matter how much they pretend it doesn't affect the US, oil is a global market.