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Does a long hot bath do the same?

by api 6mo ago

andy_ppp 6mo ago
Almost certainly but most people don’t find it as enjoyable. Also the problem of keeping the bath hot enough for 20-30 mins.
- weird-eye-issue 6mo ago
  Hot tub, onsen, etc...
Mistletoe 6mo ago
If you are a man, the hot water has a deleterious effect on your testicles' ability to make sperm. But so do saunas apparently. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23411620/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23411620/ That one was 80-90C, which is a really hot sauna.
- p1esk 6mo ago
  Just to clarify - it’s a temporary effect - lasts for 3-6 months
  - Aboutplants 6mo ago
    Then I’m gonna start doing it on my death bed!
  - orthoxerox 6mo ago
    Finns go to sauna at least once every week and haven't gone extinct yet.
    - nnevod 6mo ago
      Still there are studies that regular sauna does decrease testosterone production. It's not hard to counter though, ice packs applied to testicles ( not direct ice, ice in a cloth) during sauna are effective for that purpose. And maybe Finns don't go to sauna when they plan to conceive? Does Finland have a lower rate of unwanted pregnancies?
      - 2000UltraDeluxe 6mo ago
        Finland's fertility rate drove off a cliff in the 60's like in so many other countries. If sauna has an overall effect we wouldn't know as we've nothing to compare with -- going to sauna is rather universal and the tradition is ancient.
  - KellyCriterion 6mo ago
    Cant be true: I went to sauna 3 - 4 times a week, ex-girlfriend got pregnant 2 month after cancelling the pill (while I still went to sauna)
Trustable8 6mo ago
It might not do the exact same, but it will have some effect. A lot of the benefit comes from the raised heart rate and opening of the blood vessels that the sauna produces, and I can expect that a warm bath would also have a similar effect. I think both are also known to reduce stress, which can help to lower blood pressure.
zemvpferreira 6mo ago
Yes, if by hot bath you mean submerging yourself to neck level in 40ºC or above water for 20-30 minutes. There's no reason to believe any "heat therapy" modality is superior to another as long as you suffer equal heat stress. For the record, if you're not acclimated, intense heat exposure is a lot more agonising than 30 minutes of exercise for less benefit. If you haven't experienced a properly tuned sauna in your life you are in for a ride. What's being studied in the literature is nothing like your standard hotel experience.
- lxgr 6mo ago
  How are you suffering equal heat stress from being submerged in moderately warm water and breathing very hot air? I could imagine quite different effects on airways and skin, for example. "Exactly the same effect" seems like the unexpected outcome here. > intense heat exposure is a lot more agonising than 30 minutes of exercise for less benefit Having to do absolutely nothing other than not leaving is quite different from pushing through a physical activity that can also easily be causing all kinds of discomfort.
  - zemvpferreira 6mo ago
    Have you tried submerging yourself in moderately hot water, I wonder? And have you spent some time pondering the difference in heat transfer between convection and conduction?
    - lxgr 6mo ago
      > Have you tried submerging yourself in moderately hot water, I wonder? Yes. > have you spent some time pondering the difference in heat transfer between convection and conduction? Also yes, but not in this context. I don't think basic thermodynamics (alone) is the right lens through which to analyze the health benefits of either. Without empirical studies, I feel like there can easily be plausible-sounding thermodynamic arguments for completely opposite outcomes.
  - out_of_protocol 6mo ago
    > How are you suffering equal heat stress from being submerged in moderately warm water by the rules of this universe, you can't survive being submerged in 40C water for a prolonged period of time (even 37C would kill you as well), because humans produce heat and if you can't dispose of it you'll overheat and be dead soon enough

Does a long hot bath do the same?

by api 6mo ago

Does a long hot bath do the same?

Almost certainly but most people don’t find it as enjoyable. Also the problem of keeping the bath hot enough for 20-30 mins.

weird-eye-issue 6mo ago
Hot tub, onsen, etc...

Mistletoe 6mo ago

If you are a man, the hot water has a deleterious effect on your testicles' ability to make sperm. But so do saunas apparently. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23411620/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23411620/ That one was 80-90C, which is a really hot sauna.

p1esk 6mo ago
Just to clarify - it’s a temporary effect - lasts for 3-6 months
- Aboutplants 6mo ago
  Then I’m gonna start doing it on my death bed!
- orthoxerox 6mo ago
  Finns go to sauna at least once every week and haven't gone extinct yet.
  - nnevod 6mo ago
    Still there are studies that regular sauna does decrease testosterone production. It's not hard to counter though, ice packs applied to testicles ( not direct ice, ice in a cloth) during sauna are effective for that purpose. And maybe Finns don't go to sauna when they plan to conceive? Does Finland have a lower rate of unwanted pregnancies?
    - 2000UltraDeluxe 6mo ago
      Finland's fertility rate drove off a cliff in the 60's like in so many other countries. If sauna has an overall effect we wouldn't know as we've nothing to compare with -- going to sauna is rather universal and the tradition is ancient.
- KellyCriterion 6mo ago
  Cant be true: I went to sauna 3 - 4 times a week, ex-girlfriend got pregnant 2 month after cancelling the pill (while I still went to sauna)

Trustable8 6mo ago

It might not do the exact same, but it will have some effect. A lot of the benefit comes from the raised heart rate and opening of the blood vessels that the sauna produces, and I can expect that a warm bath would also have a similar effect. I think both are also known to reduce stress, which can help to lower blood pressure.

zemvpferreira 6mo ago

Yes, if by hot bath you mean submerging yourself to neck level in 40ºC or above water for 20-30 minutes. There's no reason to believe any "heat therapy" modality is superior to another as long as you suffer equal heat stress. For the record, if you're not acclimated, intense heat exposure is a lot more agonising than 30 minutes of exercise for less benefit. If you haven't experienced a properly tuned sauna in your life you are in for a ride. What's being studied in the literature is nothing like your standard hotel experience.

lxgr 6mo ago
How are you suffering equal heat stress from being submerged in moderately warm water and breathing very hot air? I could imagine quite different effects on airways and skin, for example. "Exactly the same effect" seems like the unexpected outcome here. > intense heat exposure is a lot more agonising than 30 minutes of exercise for less benefit Having to do absolutely nothing other than not leaving is quite different from pushing through a physical activity that can also easily be causing all kinds of discomfort.
- zemvpferreira 6mo ago
  Have you tried submerging yourself in moderately hot water, I wonder? And have you spent some time pondering the difference in heat transfer between convection and conduction?
  - lxgr 6mo ago
    > Have you tried submerging yourself in moderately hot water, I wonder? Yes. > have you spent some time pondering the difference in heat transfer between convection and conduction? Also yes, but not in this context. I don't think basic thermodynamics (alone) is the right lens through which to analyze the health benefits of either. Without empirical studies, I feel like there can easily be plausible-sounding thermodynamic arguments for completely opposite outcomes.
- out_of_protocol 6mo ago
  > How are you suffering equal heat stress from being submerged in moderately warm water by the rules of this universe, you can't survive being submerged in 40C water for a prolonged period of time (even 37C would kill you as well), because humans produce heat and if you can't dispose of it you'll overheat and be dead soon enough