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Microsoft to force updates to Windows 11 25H2 for PCs with older OS versions
- estimator7292 7mo agoMicrosoft is employing a machine learning algorithm to decide when a particular device should receive a forced update. What? How could that possibly be beneficial for anyone?
- windexh8er 7mo agoThe mistake you've made is thinking that they care about anyone other than themselves. Microslop is a rather fitting nickname.
- dismalaf 7mo agoThis has been said many times over years and even decades, but here goes again: Microsoft doesn't care about users, open source, nothing except their own pocketbooks.
- citizenkeen 7mo agoIs there a billion dollar company that does?
- Mistletoe 7mo agoThe only one I can think of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia,_Inc. I know the link is weird, wiki seem to have an issue with their name.
- pooper 7mo agoI think that's because there is a period at the end Here is the link with the comma and the period html encoded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia%2C_Inc%2E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia%2C_Inc%2E
- dismalaf 7mo agoSome at least recognize that being pro-consumer is better long term.
- manwe150 7mo agoI’ve been noticing (because of user bug reports) that the security policies are now AI driven. If you haven’t use a feature in x-days or y-reboots or other heuristic, it becomes an application crash the next time an application tries to use that OS feature (such as loading dlls or usb drivers)
- rvba 7mo agoBeneficial during the lawsuit probably
- Sytten 7mo agoJokes on them I am still running Windows 10 and not planning to move my gaming PC to Windows 11 (hardware not supported).
- chakintosh 7mo agoMy hardware is supported and I'm sticking with 10 until the last ATM finally updates
- rr808 7mo agoI'm still on 23H2, windows update fails every time I try. This summer I'm switching to Linux.
- evolve2k 7mo ago> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update. > Curiously, there seems to be a lack of transparency around how Microsoft’s machine learning system decides when a device is ready to receive the automatic update. The open secret is that the LLM has been prompted to make the call and no human in Microsoft is able to interrogate why the agentic AI is pushing updates to some machines and not to others.
- KennyBlanken 7mo agoThis insanely clickbait title implies Win10 systems will be upgraded. That is not true whatsoever. Many subreddits ban sites for having clickbaity nonsense and it's high time HN did the same.
- crtasm 7mo agoDid it change? It's currently >Microsoft to force updates to Windows 11 25H2 for PCs with older Windows 11 OS versions
- rationalist 7mo agoI'm showing: > Microsoft to force updates to Windows 11 25H2 for PCs with older OS versions Makes me think Windows 10 computers are going to be upgraded whether or not the hardware supports it.
- cratermoon 7mo agoOP here. My submission included the "older Windows 11" clause. I did not change it
- Dwedit 7mo agoIt seems like WUB (windows update blocker) will still prevent an update?
- Saris 7mo agoYou can also block windows update in firewall, I like Fort.
- globalnode 7mo agoso i instead get to run someone else's closed source .exe as admin on my system - out of the frying pan and into the fire.
- lousken 7mo agoWell I also force upgraded, to Linux
- vjvjvjvjghv 7mo agoIt will probably be handled by Windows Upgrade Copilot.
- convexly 7mo agoThe move to Linux is looking more and more appealing. These decisions are killing Microsoft by a thousand cuts.
- dangus 7mo agoI did it. It’s great, I surprisingly like Linux more than both macOS and Windows. That wasn’t the case the last time I tried it. Still, I don’t think this issue in particular is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If you’re using Windows 11 and connected to the internet there’s really not much of a good reason to not want the latest updates in my mind, especially as the OS really has matured nicely overall in my opinion through those updates. The early days were rough. It would just be nice if Microsoft did a better job separating feature updates from required security updates and being consistent about policy overall. The way Apple does it seems ideal. They have a yearly release and you are never forced to update. The previous two versions continue to get critical security patches. Their hardware loses OS support at a predictable rate. If you never update you’re really on your own. Apple has on rare occasions pushed ultra critical mandatory updates IIRC, like the one to resolve that Catalina root bug. But that’s rare, and it’s not a major release. Even more critically, Apple doesn’t continually change their mind and reorganize how it works like Microsoft seems to do. Microsoft decided to do biannual releases then figured out that they can’t go that fast but still call every release “H2” but then these are separate from security patches but now we are forced to update anyway. Just decide on something that everyone is okay with and stick to it.
- burnt-resistor 7mo agoBecause it's all about controlling the real products, the users, with force. Technofeudal overlords DGAF.
- arprocter 7mo agoI'm far from a MS apologist, but this is upgrading a soon-to-be-unsupported version of Windows 11 to the current version
- AiTricky 7mo agoThey are pushing features that nobody is asking for and is not making life feel any better (bricking ssd, and ai reading you credit card details), and now here they are telling you, that they will force an update you may not be choosing to do, and do it with AI (which imo, isn't necessary for this process. Last I checked, MS will update when it notices idle time, no?)
- arprocter 7mo agoForcing it does seem a little excessive Still, I'm confused how a machine on H24 hasn't already gone to 25 via regular updates Are there a bunch of folks who've been hitting 'don't upgrade now' since late last year?
- simulator5g 7mo agoYes, there is a harmful meme in the world of IT/power users/devs/old people, that says you should never install updates. They are sort of right in that the updates often reduce system performance and introduce bugs, but they also patch bugs and, more importantly, security issues. A lot of avoidable hacking incidents happen because of unpatched systems.
- LorenDB 7mo agoMicrosoft is driving more and more people away to Linux or macOS (as evidenced by other comments here). I thought they had recently announced that they would be trying to rebuild trust in their users, but evidently the Windows Update team didn't get the memo.
- throwawaytea 7mo agoAfter all the stupid drama in the last few years, we loaded Linux Mint Mate on all my parents computers. My mom can't really tell the difference and my dad likes it. If Microsoft is losing 65 year olds, they've got a problem.
- wingmanjd 7mo agoMicrosoft lost my 80yr old aunt and my two under teenager kids. My last hold-out at home is my son's laptop, which he needed Windows for a proctered exam (now completed). He's excited to soon be on the same OS as his other family members.
- mysterydip 7mo agoThe only thing keeping me from switching my kids to linux is minecraft.
- tmtvl 7mo agoProject Ozone 3, Enigmatica 2 Expert, Nomifactory, GregTech New Horizons, Sky Factory 4, and SevTech Ages all run fine under GNU/Linux, is there some modpack that doesn't work?
- MarsIronPI 7mo agoPresumably it's because of Bedrock. Which is the inferior game, yes, but it's the cross-platform one.
- mysterydip 7mo agoYes, because all their friends use bedrock on tablets/switch/etc.
- xigoi 7mo agoMinecraft works just fine on Linux.
- jasomill 7mo agoOther than taking longer to install, this doesn't sound materially worse than forcing any other Windows update on the same set of users (those whose update settings aren't controlled by Group Policy, presumably). In particular, this change doesn't apply to Windows 10. Do nontechnical users intentionally run older, unsupported builds of Windows 11 in the first place, and if so, why?
- sensanaty 7mo ago> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update. Has everyone at M$ lost the plot? We need AI to know whether a version number is smaller than another version number now? What the fuck does this even mean?
- Hizonner 7mo ago1. Don't run Windows. That's just showing your abuse fetish. 2. Keep your fucking OS up to date. At this point, there is no excuse for exposing unmaintained, unupdated code to the Internet.