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Tokens are insanely cheap at the moment. Through OpenRouter a message to Sonnet costs about $0.001 cents or using Devstral 2512 it's about $0.0001. An extended
by KetoManx64 7mo ago
Tokens are insanely cheap at the moment.
Through OpenRouter a message to Sonnet costs about $0.001 cents or using Devstral 2512 it's about $0.0001.
An extended coding session/feature expansion will cost me about $5 in credits.
Split up your codebase so you don't have to feed all of it into the LLM at once and it's a very reasonable.
- lebovic 7mo agoIt cost me ~$750 to find a tricky privilege escalation bug in a complex codebase where I knew the rough specs but didn't have the exploit. There are certainly still many other bugs like that in the codebase, and it would cost $100k-$1MM to explore the rest of the system that deeply with models at or above the capability of Opus 4.6. It's definitely possible to do a basic pass for much less (I do this with autopen.dev), but it is still very expensive to exhaustively find the harder vulnerabilities.
- christophilus 7mo agoThis is where the Codex and Claude Code Pro/Max plans are excellent. I rarely run into the limits of Codex. If I do, I wait and come back and have it resume once the window has expired.
- Jcampuzano2 7mo agoClaude and Codex pro/max subs aren't supposed to be used for commercial/enterprise development so its not really an option for execs in enterprise. They need to take into account API costs. At my F500 company execs are very wary of the costs of most of these tools and its always top of mind. We have dashboards and gather tons of internal metrics on which tools devs are using and how much they are costing.
- petesergeant 7mo ago> Claude and Codex pro/max subs aren't supposed to be used for commercial/enterprise development lolwut?
- blks 7mo agoRead ToS.
- monocularvision 7mo agoI just did. Tell me where it states what you are claiming. Neither my reading (IANAL) nor ChatGPT’s reading could find such a blanket ban: https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms
- watermelon0 7mo agoFrom your link: > Non-commercial use only. You agree that you will not use our Services for any commercial or business purposes and we and our Providers have no liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunity. There are separate commercial terms for Team/Enterprise/API usage: https://www.anthropic.com/legal/commercial-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/commercial-terms
- fasterik 7mo agoI suspect you are accessing their website from a European IP address. The clause you quoted is not present for users outside of the EU/UK. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47590473 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47590473
- monocularvision 7mo agoThat explains it. I don’t see it from my US IP address.
- otterley 7mo agoAre they also measuring productivity? Measuring only token costs is like looking only at grocery spend but not the full receipt: you don’t know whether you fed your family for a week or for only a day.
- batshit_beaver 7mo agoFirst you have to figure out HOW to measure productivity.
- otterley 7mo ago(Output / input), both of which are usually measured in money. If you can measure both of those things--and you have bigger problems if your finance department can't--it logically follows that you can measure productivity.
- Jcampuzano2 7mo agoMeasuring strictly in terms of money per unit time over a small enough timeframe is difficult because not all tasks directly result in immediately observed results. There are tasks worked on at large enterprises that have 5+ year horizons, and those can't all immediately be tracked in terms of monetary gain that can be correlated with AI usage. We've barely even had AI as a daily tool used for development for a few years.
- Jcampuzano2 7mo agoI'm not one of those execs, I'm just echoing what they tell us from those I've talked to who manage these dashboards and worry about this. I do think measuring productivity is not very clear-cut especially with these tools. They do "attempt" to measure productivity. But they also just see large dollar amounts on AI costs and get wary. My company is also wary of going all in with any one tool or company due to how quickly stuff changes. So far they've been trying to pool our costs across all tools together and give us an "honor system" limit we should try not to go above per month until we do commit to one suite of tools.
- christophilus 7mo agoNo, I think that’s wrong. They aren’t supposed to be put behind a service, but they can certainly be used to write professional products/ products for the enterprise.
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- otterley 7mo agoHow much would it have cost a human to do the same work? The question isn’t how much tokens cost; the question is how much money is saved by using AI to do it.
- skeledrew 7mo agoCompare to the cost when said vulnerabilities are exploited by bad actors in critical systems. Worth it yet?
- gmerc 7mo agoYou’d have to ignore the massive investor ROI expectations or somehow have no capability to look past “at the moment”.
- KetoManx64 7mo agoNot really. I'm fully taking advantage of these low prices while they last. Eventually the AI companies will run start running out of funny money and start charging what the models actually cost to run, then I just switch over to using the self hosted models more often and utilize the online ones for the projects that need the extra resources. Currently there's no reason for why I shouldn't use Claude Sonnet to write one time bash scripts, once it starts costing me a dollar to do so I'm going to change my behavior.
- twosdai 7mo agoI also have this feeling. But do you ever doubt it. that when the time comes we will be like the boiled frog? Where its "just so convenient" or that the reality of setting up a local ai is just a worse experience for a large upfront cost?
- iririririr 7mo agoworse. he's already boiled. probably paying way more than that one dollar per bash script with all the subscriptions he already has.
- KetoManx64 7mo agoYeah, the $20 I paid to OpenRouter about 4 months ago really cost me an arm and a leg, not sure where I'll get my next meal if I'm to be honest.
- deaux 7mo ago> Currently there's no reason for why I shouldn't use Claude Sonnet to write one time bash scripts, once it starts costing me a dollar to do so I'm going to change my behavior. This just isn't going to happen, we have open weights models which we can roughly calculate how much they cost to run that are on the level of Sonnet _right now_. The best open weights models used to be 2 generations behind, then they were 1 generation behind, now they're on par with the mid-tier frontier models. You can choose among many different Kimi K2.5 providers. If you believe that every single one of those is running at 50% subsidies, be my guest.
- ThePowerOfFuet 7mo ago>$0.001 cents $0.001 (1/10 of a cent) or 0.001 cents (1/1000 of a cent, or $0.00001)?
- Pikamander2 7mo agoOh no, here we go again https://youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU https://youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU
- zozbot234 7mo agoAgentic tasks use up a huge amount of tokens compared to simple chatting. Every elementary interaction the model has with the outside world (even while doing something as simple as reading code from a large codebase) is a separate "chat" message and "response", and these add up very quickly.