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Do they train for a “no quarter“ conflict where injured or surrendered combatants are killed?
by lokar 7mo ago
Do they train for a “no quarter“ conflict where injured or surrendered combatants are killed?
- rbanffy 7mo agoHegseth is not in charge of the Iranian military.
- lokar 7mo agoBut he did publicly declare his intention to commit war crimes.
- two_handfuls 7mo agoIn case anyone else doubted this, I will save you the time to look it up. Yup, it's sadly true. https://www.commondreams.org/news/hegseth-no-quarter-international-law https://www.commondreams.org/news/hegseth-no-quarter-interna...
- lokar 7mo agoYep. And war crime seems to have lost all meaning in the US. But, even if you dismiss the idea of international standards, this is clearly very bad for US soldiers (and sailors, airmen, etc). I wonder if they see that.
- jMyles 7mo ago> But, even if you dismiss the idea of international standards, this is clearly very bad for US soldiers (and sailors, airmen, etc). I wonder if they see that. Even if you dismiss the idea of international standards, a no-quarter declaration is against _US law_, specifically subject to the penalty of death with no other lawful penalty defined: https://www.govregs.com/uscode/title18_partI_chapter118_section2441 https://www.govregs.com/uscode/title18_partI_chapter118_sect....
- asdff 7mo agoWe've already committed several war crimes.
- estearum 7mo agoActually even just declaring no quarter is itself a war crime.
- KaiserPro 7mo agoHes also liable for the death sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 2441 — War Crimes Act (1996) & 10 U.S.C. § 950t — Military Commissions Act (more relevent)
- lokar 7mo agoThey won't face any US law. AIUI, they have been getting letters from the DOJ office of legal counsel that say it's legal. This effectively immunizes them (the DOJ can't turn around and charge you with a crime, if they advised you beforehand it was not a crime). The best shot would be to turn them over to the ICC
- KaiserPro 7mo agoAlas, the USA isn't signed up to the ICC.
- lokar 7mo agoSure, but, if somehow they fell into ICC custody overseas...
- rbanffy 7mo agoNow wouldn’t that be sweet?
- forgotTheLast 7mo agoLuckily Congress passed a law with bipartisan support to protect US service members from ICC custody (commonly referred to as The Hague Invasion Act).
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- estearum 7mo agoRight but the reason we have rules against people declaring no quarter is to prevent a race to the bottom. It is absolutely reasonable to respond to a no quarter declaration in kind, which is... again... the entire reason we have prohibitions on it.
- MarkMarine 7mo agoNo, we actually train to be tortured and held if caught, but everyone knows the risks before you take off. Captured marines or soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re clear eyed about it.
- croes 7mo agoAnd lied to about the reasons of the war. Now they even lie about it being a war, while they claim they have already won the war, that isn’t a war.
- MarkMarine 7mo agoEvery war since Korea, we’re very used to this.
- surgical_fire 7mo agoThe other wars were woke. This is not a woke war. I wish I was joking.
- ray__ 7mo agoCare to elaborate on this?
- surgical_fire 7mo ago"No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy-building exercise, no politically-correct wars. We fight to win,” Hegseth said." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/iran-strikes-trump-hegseth-speech-b2930211.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- cardiffspaceman 7mo agoWhat’s the value of having a civilian SecDef if he blathers on like this?
- KaiserPro 7mo agoUnless I missed something, Only Hegseth was promising no quarter (ie war crimes)
- swyx 7mo agohe what? this is on the record?
- ExoticPearTree 7mo agoYes, he said it in front of reporters at a Pentagon briefing.
- piperswe 7mo agohttps://www.war.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/4434484/secretary-of-war-pete-hegseth-and-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-air-force-gen-da/ https://www.war.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/4434... > Our response? We will keep pressing. We will keep pushing, keep advancing, no quarter, no mercy for our enemies.
- andrewflnr 7mo agoFor what it's worth, he probably didn't know what he was saying. (slop has been around longer than LLMs)
- voganmother42 7mo agoWhat is this worth?
- andrewflnr 7mo agoDark comedy mostly.
- alkonaut 7mo agoIt’s the one constant about this administration: you’re always wondering ”is this incompetence by not knowing what they’re saying or incompetence where they know what they’re saying”