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> Last thing, the final part 6 comes off as really childish, risks to national security and sending letters to the board, really? That struck me too. Maybe i'v
by bawolff 7mo ago
> Last thing, the final part 6 comes off as really childish, risks to national security and sending letters to the board, really?
That struck me too. Maybe i've never worked high enough in an org (im unclear how highly ranked the author of the piece is) but i've never been in an org where going over your boss's boss's boss's boss's head and writing a letter to the board was likely to go well.
That said, i could easily believe that both Azure is an absolute mess and that the author of the piece was fired because of how he went about things.
- beoberha 7mo ago[flagged]
- 0______0 7mo agoRedacted to avoid getting doxxed (my original reply showed disdain for the parent comment and agreed with Axel's writing).
- axelriet 7mo agoFormer 1010 Overlake RnD here too :)
- RajT88 7mo agoIt reminded me of this one: https://wtfmitchel.medium.com/how-to-get-fired-from-microsoft-part-1-cc2980d33bfe https://wtfmitchel.medium.com/how-to-get-fired-from-microsof... A lot of similarities, except the medium author was not part of PG but support. He also had recently suffered a brain injury.
- axelriet 7mo agoBefore or after publishing his article?
- guenthert 7mo ago"While some may see this as a dick move and I wasn’t exactly proud of it, but I actually waited for Daniel’s wife, Katie, to go into labor before bringing all of this up with his management." Holy cow! Now I've unfortunately witnessed some ugly office behavior too, but this is quite another level.
- axelriet 7mo agoThanks for the free psychology assessment, I appreciate it, but I believe I’m fine. The series omits lots of details.
- rk06 7mo agoHi, I hope you are doing good. From my personal experience, complaining about your manager to skip level manager is called Career Suicide. There is nothing good that can come out of it,, except getting fired.
- shake_head_pig2 7mo ago[dead]
- axelriet 7mo agoIt is, but “Microsoft runs on trust” they say. They also say the CEO’s inbox is always open, actually the CEO himself says it in the yearly mandatory training video on business conduct. So it should be safe, in theory, to openly speak out in the best interest of the customers, no? Rhetorical question :)
- auggierose 7mo agoDon't believe everything people say. Watch what they do. By the way, are you not worried about NDAs and such?
- RajT88 7mo agoYes, there is how things are said to work, and how they actually work.
- chris_money202 7mo agoI feel like emailing the CEO in this case is just a no-op, the inbox is gatekeeped by his staff and very unlikely he saw your email. That said, “inbox always open” means you should come with a problem AND a very well detailed solution. But question becomes if you had a detailed solution that was good, why wasn’t it ran up the org chart with buy in and why did it have to skip to the top.
- db48x 7mo agoLol, no. It is true that writing to the board will get you noticed, and that you might not like the consequences. If you value having the job then don’t write to the board. Even if you are right, being noticed like that isn’t going to endear you to your boss. But if you care more about doing the right thing then writing to the board is the right thing to do. And after a few years of working at Microsoft you might not value your job very much either and you too might decide to go out in style. Go watch the last episode of Chernobyl again.
- axelriet 7mo agoWindows is ~500 times bigger than Azure, give or take, by machine count, and still many times larger by loc, modules, users, whatever else you want to measure. The heavy lifting (VM/containers, I/O, the things that cannot not be done just like that) is handled by the Windows folks anyway. The only hard part is the VM placement, everything else is mostly regular software engineering, some of medium-hard complexity but nothing that can excuse the need for constant human intervention.
- lukewarm707 7mo agofrom a philosophy grad. both these responses are logical fallacies. 1: it's bad, but so is everything else (ad populum, everyone does it so it's ok). 2: it can only be because the author has a personality disorder or psychotic break (ad hominem)
- axelriet 7mo agoI didn’t say it went well. Actually I said it didn’t go well :(
- bawolff 7mo agoYes, but you are writing as if you expected it to go well.
- rhyperior 7mo agoI’d say they’re writing as if they expect everyone to share their ideals, and they’re responding to violations of those ideals in a naive and disempowered way. That doesn’t mean they’re wrong in those ideals, but the way they tried to fix things… they interacted with Cutler, why didn’t they try to influence him to fix things? Or any other senior technical leaders?
- axelriet 7mo agoI never said I didn’t. It was a multi-year escalation and I shared my concerns widely along with concrete options. The thing is in corporate environments people avoid admitting anything is wrong because that would make them look bad and also disavows the bosses who promoted them, so the true best interest of the company takes a back seat.
- aswegs8 7mo agoYeah I get that, I have been in a similar situation. At some point you just want to pull the trigger instead of going along with values that aren't yours. Sure, there is always the way of just silently disagree and move on, but who cares. We live one life not to maximize our careers, but to be who we are. Was an interesting read and wish all the best to you in the future.