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Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the

Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the lamp. (Heck, I've leaned on LLMs to generate damned SwiftUI code for me.)

archagon 7mo ago
I mean, no, why would it be? There is so, so much to talk about in programming other than AI. Meanwhile, the current HN front page feels like 90% LLM spam: the complete antithesis of what I used to come here for. I personally can’t wait for no-ai communities to proliferate.
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- tolerance 7mo ago
  Taking your estimate as a superlative, it would be asinine for the community here to censor AI-targeted discussions in the way I think you'd like to. The same goes for a programming community that censors discussions about LLM programming. You are basically asking for a brain drain in a field that—like it or not—is going to be crucial in the future in spite of its obvious warts and poor implementation in the present. If that's what you want, be my guest and encourage it; but who's authorized to unilaterally make that decision in a given forum? In the present case, the moderators for r/programming are. But they're making a mistake by marginalizing the technology that's redefining the practice because people talk about it too much instead of thinking about how to effectively talk about it and then steering the community in that direction. But that's a full-time job. Which is why I think HN may turn out alright in the long run or a similar community will replace it if it fails to temper the change in the industry. What this decisions signals to me is that r/programming has been inert for some time. I'm sure plenty of programmers, irrespective of their position on AI, probably find the community rejoicing in their resignation to the technologies influence as their cue to finally exit.
  - ratrace 7mo ago
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- johnb95 7mo ago
  ...and there will be towns that do not allow self-driving vehicles?
beej71 7mo ago
There are groups for carpenters who only use hand tools. Obsolete and existing. And, arguably, still useful to all.
- jason_oster 7mo ago
  True, but carpenters using hand tools are a niche. If you are implying that programmers who hand code are going the way of carpenters using hand tools, I think I can agree.
  - fugalfervor 7mo ago
    I agree also.
  - beej71 7mo ago
    I do... but I also think all programmers need to know how to hand code, and all carpenters need to know how to use hand tools.
jaredcwhite 7mo ago
Sheer nonsense. Handcoding is thriving and will easily survive long into the future, especially after the bubble bursts (which is already happening).
- siva7 7mo ago
  Amen. Just like hand washing clothes survived the washing machine fade.
  - hackable_sand 7mo ago
    Fr. Hand washing helps clothes last longer and you have circulation of fewer micro plastics. Not to mention it's more resource efficient.

archagon 7mo ago

I mean, no, why would it be? There is so, so much to talk about in programming other than AI. Meanwhile, the current HN front page feels like 90% LLM spam: the complete antithesis of what I used to come here for. I personally can’t wait for no-ai communities to proliferate.

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tolerance 7mo ago
Taking your estimate as a superlative, it would be asinine for the community here to censor AI-targeted discussions in the way I think you'd like to. The same goes for a programming community that censors discussions about LLM programming. You are basically asking for a brain drain in a field that—like it or not—is going to be crucial in the future in spite of its obvious warts and poor implementation in the present. If that's what you want, be my guest and encourage it; but who's authorized to unilaterally make that decision in a given forum? In the present case, the moderators for r/programming are. But they're making a mistake by marginalizing the technology that's redefining the practice because people talk about it too much instead of thinking about how to effectively talk about it and then steering the community in that direction. But that's a full-time job. Which is why I think HN may turn out alright in the long run or a similar community will replace it if it fails to temper the change in the industry. What this decisions signals to me is that r/programming has been inert for some time. I'm sure plenty of programmers, irrespective of their position on AI, probably find the community rejoicing in their resignation to the technologies influence as their cue to finally exit.
- ratrace 7mo ago
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johnb95 7mo ago
...and there will be towns that do not allow self-driving vehicles?

beej71 7mo ago

There are groups for carpenters who only use hand tools. Obsolete and existing. And, arguably, still useful to all.

jason_oster 7mo ago
True, but carpenters using hand tools are a niche. If you are implying that programmers who hand code are going the way of carpenters using hand tools, I think I can agree.
- fugalfervor 7mo ago
  I agree also.
- beej71 7mo ago
  I do... but I also think all programmers need to know how to hand code, and all carpenters need to know how to use hand tools.

jaredcwhite 7mo ago

Sheer nonsense. Handcoding is thriving and will easily survive long into the future, especially after the bubble bursts (which is already happening).

siva7 7mo ago
Amen. Just like hand washing clothes survived the washing machine fade.
- hackable_sand 7mo ago
  Fr. Hand washing helps clothes last longer and you have circulation of fewer micro plastics. Not to mention it's more resource efficient.