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> abstract it away and play video game? What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens > In the nea
by neonstatic 7mo ago
> abstract it away and play video game?
What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens
> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively
In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked.
> they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat.
Your ideas are based on the idea of winning in a closed-system game. War is waged by people. Some people actually want the other people to die.
- aogaili 7mo agoYes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply chain. So we basically made the cost of genocide or colonization too high to absorb. Previous wars, people got away with it.
- ncruces 7mo agoWe don't allow? Who doesn't? And what are they going to do about it?
- aogaili 7mo agoThe majority of nations? majority of people on earth? We are going to a multilateral world and to win a war you need secure the appeal of majority. If the majority think your war is illegal they can cut you off from the world economy. It is a distributed consensus-based algorithm, and the young people who are writing those algorithms will shape the future of governance.
- ncruces 7mo agoThe majority of the world thinks the Russia-Ukraine war is illegal. The majority of the world thinks the Israeli/US-Iran war is illegal.
- aogaili 7mo agoYou are arguing today. This is the first kind of wars we are seeing of this nature. But Iran is hitting exactly where it hurts, global supply chain, and now the US will be pressured by the global economy to either retreat or commit a genocide. And if all the war was drones and anti-drones today (which is not) we would have saved many lives. Look at UAE/Iran, UAE lost no live despite being hammered with drones/missiles, this is an example of drones/anti-drones future. The reason why we don't have this with the US, is because the US needs a defeat for the legacy system to die, and it seems they will get that defeat soon. Actually they are already defeated, Trump said he is retreating in 3 weeks while achieving nothing but destruction.
- RiverStone 6mo agoYour casual usage of the word “genocide” doesn’t apply to Iran. Iranians are dramatically in favor of removing the theocratic Islamic regime. Iranian expats the world over celebrated Khamenei’s death. My Iranian mother-in-law living in Tehran has literally been saying “get the mullahs out” every time we’ve spoken for the last year. Millions of Iranians inside Iran are thankful that the US (and even Israel despite the complicated relationship) is attacking the regime. This is a regime, after all, that killed thousands of its own people. That requires girls to fully cover themselves. That doesn’t allow singing or dancing in the street. Achieved nothing? Go talk to a real Iranian, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Iranians the world over have felt hope for the first time in over 40 years that they may get their country back. And we absolutely should not stop trying to help them.
- aogaili 6mo agoYeah, I grew up in Iraq, under more ruthless dictator that fought Iran. You are naive if you thank Israel/US are here to free Iran. A government won't last that long if there were to genuine supports. The fact you are outside of Iran and have some people there, doesn't make you more knowledgeable, it makes you westernized and you voted to leave with your own feet.
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- gambiting 7mo agoWhat made you come to that conclusion?
- aogaili 7mo agoYou either agree or disagree with the idea of genocide. And if you disagree with idea of genocide, then this is becoming closer to video games as more drones are deployed which is my thesis. But if you agree with the idea of genocide, then yes, wars can be won by total elimination (or major reduction) in the other people's population and loss of life. So do you think genocide is acceptable in war or not?
- gambiting 7mo ago>>So do you think genocide is acceptable in war or not? Why would downvoting your comment signify supporting genocide though?
- aogaili 7mo agoWell, because they reject the idea of making a war a physical video games of drones, therefore, they would be advocating keeping the current system? My point was that we are better off with abstracting away the war, so if you downvote that idea, then you want to keep the current system, and to win a war in the current system you need total surrender, which comes at a huge cost of life. You got it?
- gambiting 7mo agoNo, I downvoted your idea that somehow we "don't allow" genocide and yet Israel killed over 20k children in Gaza and literally nothing happened to anyone as a result - the downvote is on the blatantly untrue assumption that doesn't seem to relate to the real world at all. I still don't understand why you think this implies that I support genocide, when the exact opposite is true?
- Blackthorn 7mo ago> We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable Literally all of these things are happening as we type this. What the majority of nations do or do not want is irrelevant.
- aogaili 7mo agoThink in the future, I speak about a future, and you repeat it is happening, yes of course it is happening today, this tech is just being adopted.
- lazide 7mo agoSo…. Fantasy?
- aogaili 7mo agoSo future = fantasy in your mind? you can not speculate anything beyond the present? well, that is limitation in your thinking.
- lazide 7mo agoMore like the first two definitions of the word - literally. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasy
- aogaili 7mo agoAgain, poor argument. You can't speculate or think of the future..so if I do what you do, I say you are retarded - literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded. But that is not argument, that just us name calling each other, and I was hoping you have something of substance.
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- watwut 7mo agoUkrainian invasion was attempt at genocide and colonization. Israel did anoyher genocide last year. And then there is yemen which may not be genocide, I dunno, but has super high unchecked amount of victims. Saudi made sure no one is watching. And they all get away with it.
- aogaili 7mo agoToday yes, unfortunately. But my argument is for the future that we are starting to get a glimpses of. I'm not negating the currently genocides, I'm hoping for a future in which we don't have war at all due to the absurdly of it. And I'm arguing that there is a path forward and it is very realistic. You missed my point, please read my other comments.
- aogaili 7mo agoIt is interesting that people give downvoting, so either they enjoy having the current wars continue and people physically killed, or they basically gave up on seeing a better future. Both cases, it is sad.
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