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> Remember, they killed 30K of their own to quell an uprising.[2] There is absolutely no way to know if it's true or not
by ekianjo 7mo ago
> Remember, they killed 30K of their own to quell an uprising.[2]
There is absolutely no way to know if it's true or not
- bluGill 7mo agoThere are ample indepentant sources for that estimate. We don't know an exact number but we know it is close to that.
- johnbarron 7mo ago[flagged]
- selectodude 7mo ago[flagged]
- beepbooptheory 7mo agoIdk they are pretty major player here..
- Jerrrrrrrry 7mo ago"Can you explain how?" >don't feed trolls
- risc_taker 7mo ago[dead]
- johnbarron 7mo agoBecause they verifiably killed 70,000, while for the 30,000, as horrible as it is, you have to trust the Mossad pitch ?
- simonh 7mo agoYes, true, but the IDF took 2 years, the IRGC/Basij did their work in a few weeks. Hamas is a few thousand people and the IDF are still fighting them after 2 years. There are about a million in the IRGC/Basij/Army in Iran.
- beepbooptheory 7mo agoTo be charitable, it is prima facie weird that that this seems to be the one thing we do know for sure. Literally every other detail here seems to be trapped in a black box or uncertainty, except for this. First the US blew up all the nuclear last year, then it turns they were days away. They were out of missiles a week ago, and then they werent at all. We were so sure about "the appetite for rebellion" among the people, until we weren't. I guess you just have to reflect on how nice it is that the one thing we know for sure aligns with an ongoing justification for all the bad stuff that needs to happen! It's funny how it works like that, but we have to take their word for it. I remember seeing those maps pointing to the WMDs in Iraq on NYT. I remember when it was unspeakable to be critical of the narrative. All you can do, I guess, is hope that they wouldn't do that again, believe that this time its different.
- Jerrrrrrrry 7mo agoObviously its a lie. But making outrageous claims then replying with " why are you defending Iran " is the gimmick. Its like a psyop meme mash-up of reddit arguments, ad infinitum
- bluGill 7mo agoWhat Trump said is not what independent experts said. Iran likely was weeks away from a nuclear bomb - they had all the parts, materials and know-how. They just needed the final steps of enrichment, and hand assembly a bomb. They had been in this position of a long time without taking the final steps, but at any time they only needed a few weeks to the first working bomb if they wanted to take those steps. (if they wanted to do mass production that would take longer)
- LtWorf 7mo agoI'd feel safer if iran did have a nuclear bomb. Then USA wouldn't just start wars.
- readitalready 7mo agoNo, there aren't independent sources for that estimate, and we do not even know if it is close to that. That number was simply made up and comes from Iran International, a Mossad-funded Pahlavist site. Additionally, the Iranian government states that 2-3,000 were killed, mostly from Mossad-armed insurrectionists killing Iranian police. So who are you going to believe? Israel, or Iran? The vast majority of people trust the Iranian government over the Israeli regime.
- pqtyw 7mo ago> he vast majority of people trust the Iranian government Right... Nobody sane would trust an authoritarian regime which suppresses any type of free speech and and even banned the internet regardless of everything else. Mistrusting Israel is understandable but that seems tangential.
- readitalready 7mo agoYou'd ban the internet too if you had a foreign military using it to communicate with armed insurrectionists. Yes, specifically you. YOU would do that too. War changes rules of a country.
- pqtyw 7mo agoI don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. So no I would not do that. > armed insurrectionists Unfortunately not even remotely armed enough to make a difference... > War changes rules of a country. Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now?
- readitalready 7mo ago>I don't think I have the skillset and personality that would me allow to rise to the top of the hierarchy in a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism. This is about whether you would shut down the internet or not, not whether you would rise to the top of the hierarchy on a brutal totalitarian regime built on religious fanaticism... like Israel. You know, a country with strict limits on media, including shutting down media outlets it deems critical of the state. Yes, you would shut down the internet in a war. Yes, specifically you. Just like how you would just down media companies and plane flights in wartime, since you, yes you specifically, do not believe in Democracy. >Oh so the Iranian regime was not murdering its own peacefully protesting citizens (regardless of the existence of these "armed insurrectionists") for many years now? So then for how many years do you think Mossad armed the insurrectionists that you are trying to call "peaceful protesters"?
- LtWorf 7mo agoI think there is ample independent consensus that the estimate came from israel?
- ragall 7mo agoIt's true. The real numbers are most likely 80-90k.