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Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dement

by ben_w 7mo ago

Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? To the extent it's a money making scheme, well, capitalism gets blamed for all money making schemes even if it's supposed to be a specific subset of them which is useful for the feedback one can get from open markets. (As that's a caveat inside a caveat, I'm mostly agreeing with you).

mikkupikku 7mo ago
> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? Or because America is filled with demented cultists who think a two thousand year old property dispute is the key to triggering the Apocalypse so they can all be whisked away to paradise.
- myko 7mo ago
  I can't say I'm surprised about the downvotes but it is odd, this isn't really a secret
  - yongjik 7mo ago
    There's something darkly funny about the reality being so demented that just describing it on HN gathers downvotes because it objectively sounds so awful.
    - throwaway173738 7mo ago
      The really crazy thing is just how few death cultists it really takes. The smallest minority of them have been busy radicalizing teenagers and biding their time for the past 20 years and this is what it’s come to.
  - muragekibicho 7mo ago
    It's so bizarre how OP was downvoted. It's a truth. History repeats itself. It's not the first war. It's not the last war. Maybe his (or her) tirade on capitalism annoyed the HN downvoting shoggoth.
- ogogmad 7mo ago
  It's not a 2,000 year old dispute. Zionism began in around 1900. It was spearheaded until recently by "secular" Jews, who were borderline atheist. The Jewish religious texts themselves make wishing for a "return to Zion and Jerusalem" sound like wishing for a utopia or world peace. It pretty much reads like a metaphor, not like a political programme. Finally, most highly devout Jews were strongly opposed to Zionism, at least until after WW2.
  - watwut 7mo ago
    That comment accurately described what American evangelicals believe. American evangelicals don't care about 1900, differences between secular and religious Jews or their disputes. They don't care at all. They actually agree with a lot of what loosing side of WWII said and thought. And they in fact do believe the end of times prophecy and their duty to speed it up. If you are unaware of that, maybe you should not be so arrogant when comment on politics. Because the radical American religious leaders are literally talking to the troops now as minister of war is their disciple.
Quarrelsome 7mo ago
> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? We won't know until everyone publishes their memoirs. I imagine absurd reasoning is entirely on the table. Given the administration's blind luck with its raid on Venezuela it assumed that scaling up the same plan would function, without realising how fortunate it was the first time. Reminiscient of Blair and Kosovo leading to hubris on Iraq.
- sugarkjube 7mo ago
  Not sure this was blind luck. They had a few people on the inside, who handed over Maduro to the US. May have been internal conflict in Venuzuela using US to get rid of Maduro. Maybe US also had people on the inside in Iran, but killed them by accident on the first strike with the "precision bombings".
  - Quarrelsome 7mo ago
    I think they were extremely fortunate that their complex plan actually went off without a hitch. Its quite a lot of moving parts and hoping that certain people will react in certain ways. > Maybe US also had people on the inside in Iran, but killed them by accident on the first strike with the "precision bombings". Yeah but no. Iran isn't Venezuela by a long shot, extremely different properties all round. Its hubris to think what worked out well in one case would apply to a completely different one on the other side of the world.
- senderista 7mo ago
  Rubio is the neocon mole responsible for these wars.
kergonath 7mo ago
> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? I don’t think we should look too far for reasons. He got all excited with the adventure in Venezuela and wanted to do it again, but with bombs and his pal Bibi. He’s itching to do the same thing to Cuba, and he’s not subtle about it.
- PunchyHamster 7mo ago
  Someone should tell him there is no such thing as Nobel War Price and he was pranked
erxam 7mo ago
It's all of those, yet none are the real root reason. For that, you must look at the main beneficiary. Which country stands to gain the most from a completely dilapidated Iran? Which country stands to gain more when all the regional powers that could stand up to it have been destroyed? I think the answer should be blindingly obvious.
- imtringued 7mo ago
  It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that Christians and Jews don't like Muslims and Muslims don't like Christians or Jews. Just look at the Sudanese conflict.

by ben_w 7mo ago

mikkupikku 7mo ago

> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? Or because America is filled with demented cultists who think a two thousand year old property dispute is the key to triggering the Apocalypse so they can all be whisked away to paradise.

myko 7mo ago
I can't say I'm surprised about the downvotes but it is odd, this isn't really a secret
- yongjik 7mo ago
  There's something darkly funny about the reality being so demented that just describing it on HN gathers downvotes because it objectively sounds so awful.
  - throwaway173738 7mo ago
    The really crazy thing is just how few death cultists it really takes. The smallest minority of them have been busy radicalizing teenagers and biding their time for the past 20 years and this is what it’s come to.
- muragekibicho 7mo ago
  It's so bizarre how OP was downvoted. It's a truth. History repeats itself. It's not the first war. It's not the last war. Maybe his (or her) tirade on capitalism annoyed the HN downvoting shoggoth.
ogogmad 7mo ago
It's not a 2,000 year old dispute. Zionism began in around 1900. It was spearheaded until recently by "secular" Jews, who were borderline atheist. The Jewish religious texts themselves make wishing for a "return to Zion and Jerusalem" sound like wishing for a utopia or world peace. It pretty much reads like a metaphor, not like a political programme. Finally, most highly devout Jews were strongly opposed to Zionism, at least until after WW2.
- watwut 7mo ago
  That comment accurately described what American evangelicals believe. American evangelicals don't care about 1900, differences between secular and religious Jews or their disputes. They don't care at all. They actually agree with a lot of what loosing side of WWII said and thought. And they in fact do believe the end of times prophecy and their duty to speed it up. If you are unaware of that, maybe you should not be so arrogant when comment on politics. Because the radical American religious leaders are literally talking to the troops now as minister of war is their disciple.

Quarrelsome 7mo ago

> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? We won't know until everyone publishes their memoirs. I imagine absurd reasoning is entirely on the table. Given the administration's blind luck with its raid on Venezuela it assumed that scaling up the same plan would function, without realising how fortunate it was the first time. Reminiscient of Blair and Kosovo leading to hubris on Iraq.

sugarkjube 7mo ago
Not sure this was blind luck. They had a few people on the inside, who handed over Maduro to the US. May have been internal conflict in Venuzuela using US to get rid of Maduro. Maybe US also had people on the inside in Iran, but killed them by accident on the first strike with the "precision bombings".
- Quarrelsome 7mo ago
  I think they were extremely fortunate that their complex plan actually went off without a hitch. Its quite a lot of moving parts and hoping that certain people will react in certain ways. > Maybe US also had people on the inside in Iran, but killed them by accident on the first strike with the "precision bombings". Yeah but no. Iran isn't Venezuela by a long shot, extremely different properties all round. Its hubris to think what worked out well in one case would apply to a completely different one on the other side of the world.
senderista 7mo ago
Rubio is the neocon mole responsible for these wars.

kergonath 7mo ago

> Was this started as a resource war, or as a money-making scheme, or as a distraction from the Epstein files, or just because DJT developed actual old age dementia after purging anyone who might say 'no'? I don’t think we should look too far for reasons. He got all excited with the adventure in Venezuela and wanted to do it again, but with bombs and his pal Bibi. He’s itching to do the same thing to Cuba, and he’s not subtle about it.

PunchyHamster 7mo ago
Someone should tell him there is no such thing as Nobel War Price and he was pranked

erxam 7mo ago

It's all of those, yet none are the real root reason. For that, you must look at the main beneficiary. Which country stands to gain the most from a completely dilapidated Iran? Which country stands to gain more when all the regional powers that could stand up to it have been destroyed? I think the answer should be blindingly obvious.

imtringued 7mo ago
It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that Christians and Jews don't like Muslims and Muslims don't like Christians or Jews. Just look at the Sudanese conflict.