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Are they bemoaning that science is being done, or are they bemoaning that the experimental results have not yet reached high enough confidence to justify the co
by harshreality 6mo ago
Are they bemoaning that science is being done, or are they bemoaning that the experimental results have not yet reached high enough confidence to justify the conclusions being suggested?
- cap11235 6mo agoMore Doctors Smoke Camels!™
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> Are they bemoaning that science is being done The reflexive "in mice" comments seem to be bemoaning how science is done.
- dyauspitr 6mo agoI disagree. I think people understand studies have to begin in mice. It’s what the GP said. You can’t release those studies because there’s not a high enough confidence rate in what most people are interested in ie how it effect humans.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> You can’t release those studies because there’s not a high enough confidence rate in what most people are interested in ie how it effect humans This is science by ignoramus. It isn't how science works, at least not when it works at its best. Someone advocating for censoring science because it might be misread is not on the side of science.
- dyauspitr 6mo agoI’m not advocating for censoring them. I’m advocating for less hype in science media reporting around mice studies because let’s be frank. The vast majority of the population are ignoramuses that cannot make the distinctions themselves, and that has real political consequences through lack of trust in scientific organizations.
- cwillu 6mo agoAs someone who has made several comments consisting entirely of “…in mice.”, let me assure you that the reflex only kicks in after reading the paper and noticing that the experimental subjects were exclusively mice. The problem is not mice experiments on arxiv, the problem is posting those papers for broader dissemenation to the public, with titles suggesting to the public that cancer has been cured, without prominently pointing out that the experiments were not about cancer in humans.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> problem is posting those papers for broader dissemenation to the public, with titles suggesting to the public that cancer has been cured Fair enough. I'm thinking of cases where a good study that isn't turned into PR slop is dismissed because it was done in mice. Which is fine for most people. But not great if we're treating real science that way.
- cwillu 6mo agoDismissing good science is entirely the correct decision when the good science isn't ready for broad dissemination to the audience which it is being presented to.