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Are people again learning a new set of tools? Just tell the AI what you want, if the AI tool doesn't allow that then tell another Ai tool to make you a translat

by mrtksn 7mo ago

Are people again learning a new set of tools? Just tell the AI what you want, if the AI tool doesn't allow that then tell another Ai tool to make you a translation layer that will convert the natural language to the commands etc. What's the point of learning yet another tool?

cyanydeez 7mo ago
I think somewhere between 2016 and 2026 the market realized that programmers _love_ writing tools for themselves and others, and it went full bore into catering to the Bike Shedding economy, and now AI is accelerating this to an absurd degree.
- mrtksn 7mo ago
  Me too, I love writing tools for myself and end up yak shaving all the time but why there's a tutorial for a machine that understand human language? Just type down your inner monologue and it will do it.
  - sidrag22 7mo ago
    honestly, the biggest reason i deep dove on proper .claude stuff, was because im a cheap ass. I saw someone mention their agents/ that delegates to cheaper models, and figure that was a way I could reign in my own overall usage, and its been true so far. Im sure im one of the very few heavy claude code users that still stubbornly sits on the pro version. It won't be forever, if i land an important contract or job, I'll pretty quickly hop to max or whatever, but for my own usage right now, im getting by. Sure, maybe this stuff isn't crazy relevant 2 years from now, but right now? Giving your agent a clean way to navigate and delegate tasks to keep that context window clean? its 100% vital. edit: hop to max*
faeyanpiraat 7mo ago
I cannot decipher what you mean, have you mixed up the tabs, and wanted to post this somewhere else? The linked site is a pretty good interactive Claude tutorial for beginners.
- mrtksn 7mo ago
  Nope, why would anybody type commands to a machine that does natural language processing? Just tell the thing what you want.
  - faeyanpiraat 7mo ago
    Yes, but you gotta learn what is possible. I wouldn't have the thought to say to the machine to compact its context if I didn't know it has context and it can be compacted, right?
    - mrtksn 7mo ago
      Good point, but IMHO the learning material for this should be the basics of LLM.
    - rzzzt 7mo ago
      Why do I need to tell the machine to compact its context? This feels like homework and/or ceremony.
      - thejazzman 7mo ago
        Because the machine is a tool and tools use proper and improper usage.
  - dsQTbR7Y5mRHnZv 7mo ago
    "Part of the initial excitement in programming is easy to explain: just the fact that when you tell the computer to do something, it will do it. Unerringly. Forever. Without a complaint. And that’s interesting in itself. But blind obedience on its own, while initially fascinating, obviously does not make for a very likeable companion. What makes programming so engaging is that, while you can make the computer do what you want, you have to figure out how."[0] - [0] https://www.brynmawr.edu/inside/academic-information/departments-programs/computer-science/beauty-programming https://www.brynmawr.edu/inside/academic-information/departm...
- 7mo ago
recursive 7mo ago
I haven't used Claude, but the problem seems to be not refusal, but cheerful failure. "Sure, I'll help you with that!" And it produces something wrong in obvious and/or subtle ways.
chunpaiyang 7mo ago
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by mrtksn 7mo ago

cyanydeez 7mo ago

I think somewhere between 2016 and 2026 the market realized that programmers _love_ writing tools for themselves and others, and it went full bore into catering to the Bike Shedding economy, and now AI is accelerating this to an absurd degree.

mrtksn 7mo ago
Me too, I love writing tools for myself and end up yak shaving all the time but why there's a tutorial for a machine that understand human language? Just type down your inner monologue and it will do it.
- sidrag22 7mo ago
  honestly, the biggest reason i deep dove on proper .claude stuff, was because im a cheap ass. I saw someone mention their agents/ that delegates to cheaper models, and figure that was a way I could reign in my own overall usage, and its been true so far. Im sure im one of the very few heavy claude code users that still stubbornly sits on the pro version. It won't be forever, if i land an important contract or job, I'll pretty quickly hop to max or whatever, but for my own usage right now, im getting by. Sure, maybe this stuff isn't crazy relevant 2 years from now, but right now? Giving your agent a clean way to navigate and delegate tasks to keep that context window clean? its 100% vital. edit: hop to max*

faeyanpiraat 7mo ago

I cannot decipher what you mean, have you mixed up the tabs, and wanted to post this somewhere else? The linked site is a pretty good interactive Claude tutorial for beginners.

mrtksn 7mo ago
Nope, why would anybody type commands to a machine that does natural language processing? Just tell the thing what you want.
- faeyanpiraat 7mo ago
  Yes, but you gotta learn what is possible. I wouldn't have the thought to say to the machine to compact its context if I didn't know it has context and it can be compacted, right?
  - mrtksn 7mo ago
    Good point, but IMHO the learning material for this should be the basics of LLM.
  - rzzzt 7mo ago
    Why do I need to tell the machine to compact its context? This feels like homework and/or ceremony.
    - thejazzman 7mo ago
      Because the machine is a tool and tools use proper and improper usage.
- dsQTbR7Y5mRHnZv 7mo ago
  "Part of the initial excitement in programming is easy to explain: just the fact that when you tell the computer to do something, it will do it. Unerringly. Forever. Without a complaint. And that’s interesting in itself. But blind obedience on its own, while initially fascinating, obviously does not make for a very likeable companion. What makes programming so engaging is that, while you can make the computer do what you want, you have to figure out how."[0] - [0] https://www.brynmawr.edu/inside/academic-information/departments-programs/computer-science/beauty-programming https://www.brynmawr.edu/inside/academic-information/departm...
7mo ago

recursive 7mo ago

I haven't used Claude, but the problem seems to be not refusal, but cheerful failure. "Sure, I'll help you with that!" And it produces something wrong in obvious and/or subtle ways.

chunpaiyang 7mo ago

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