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Yeah, they know it's bad, they just don't think the rules apply to them.
by littlestymaar 7mo ago
Yeah, they know it's bad, they just don't think the rules apply to them.
- kamban 7mo agoYou nailed it.
- catoc 7mo agoIt’s only bad if you’re a closed, for-profit entity </sarcasm>
- lukan 7mo agoWas that sarcasm? Speaking of it, what parts of OpenAI are still open?
- catoc 7mo agoI know, always hard to tell on HN. Added the relevant declarative tag
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- reactordev 7mo agoThe front door…
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- tedsanders 7mo agoFor what it's worth, the big AI companies do have opt out mechanisms for scraping and search. OpenAI documents how to opt out of scraping here: https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/bots https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/bots Anthropic documents how to opt out of scraping here: https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/8896518-does-anthropic-crawl-data-from-the-web-and-how-can-site-owners-block-the-crawler https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/8896518-does-anthropi... I'm not sure if Gemini lets you opt out without also delisting you from Google search rankings.
- foresterre 7mo agoI think opt-outs are a bit backwards, ethically speaking. Instead of asking for permission, they take unless you tell them to no longer do it from now on. I can imagine their models have been trained on a lot of websites before opt outs became a thing, and the models will probably incorporate that for forever. But at least for websites there's an opt-out, even if only for the big AI companies. Open source code never even got that option ;).
- kneel25 7mo ago> a lot of websites It was a dataset of the entirety of the public internet from the very beginning that bypassed paywalls etc, there’s virtually nothing they haven’t scraped.
- netdevphoenix 7mo agoPerforming an automated action on a website that has not consented is the problem. OpenAI showing you how to opt-opt is backwards. Consent comes first. Bit concerning that some professional engineers don't understand this given the sensitive systems they interact with.
- keybored 7mo agoDeath by a thousand opt-outs.
- subscribed 7mo agoJust respect the bloody robots.txt and hold your horses. Ask your precious product built on the relentless, hostile scraping to devise a strategy that doesn't look like a cancer growth.
- qaadika 7mo ago> the big AI companies do have opt out mechanisms for scraping and search. PRESS RELEASE: UNITED BURGLARS SOCIETY The United Burglars Society understands that being burgled may be inconvenient for some. In response, UBS has introduced the Opt-Out system for those who wish not to be burgled. Please understand that each burglar is an independent contractor, so those wishing not to burgled should go to the website for each burglar in their area and opt-out there. UBS is not responsible for unwanted burglaries due to failing to opt-out.
- vbezhenar 7mo agoThey know that the rules apply to them. They hope that they can avoid being caught.
- mapt 7mo agoThe rules are that a large corporate AI company is able to scrape literally everything, and will use the full force of the law and any technology they can come up with to prevent you as an individual or a startup from doing so. Because having the audacity to try to exploit your betters would be "Theft".
- skeeter2020 7mo agoSmall mitigation (by no way absolving them): isolated developers, different teams. Another way: they see "stealing" of their compute directly in their devop tools every day, but are several abstractions away from doing the same thing to other people.
- splatter9859 7mo agoThey never have and feel they are above reproach. Anytime Altman opens his mouth that's apparent. It's for the good of humanity dontcha know. LOL