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Serious question: what will happen when people start getting implants? They’ll probably require some sort of off mode, but not sure how that would be enforced.
by bryan0 6mo ago
Serious question: what will happen when people start getting implants? They’ll probably require some sort of off mode, but not sure how that would be enforced.
- kelseyfrog 6mo ago[flagged]
- fooker 6mo agoYou're arguing for government enforced de-anonymization while at the same time using an anonymous internet account :)
- dfansteel 6mo agoYou’ll notice their specific example, the Cybertruck, is easy to identify on any road. And, as far as I can tell, not being mandated by any government for purchase.
- kelseyfrog 6mo ago[flagged]
- denkmoon 6mo agois this some kind of performance art?
- kelseyfrog 6mo agoCompletely serious
- steanne 6mo agosounds like an expensive way to get disqualified from jury duty.
- inetknght 6mo agoThe easiest way to get out of jury duty is to ask about jury nullification during voir dire. But the bigger thing is: why would you want to get disqualified from one of your biggest civic duties?
- limagnolia 6mo agoOr you could just write to the court and ask to be excused, so you don't even have to show up. Most judges will excuse you for any reason if you ask.
- pseingatl 6mo agoIn Miami, writing "No English" on the summons does the trick. Or, tell them that you do not consent to be searched (courthouse searches are deemed to be "consent" searches) so please have someone escort you inside without being searched. A quick note saying, "only God can judge" gets you off the hook. They'll hustle you right out of there if you mention jury nullification. Announcing that "the defendant must be guilty because the police arrested him," or "plaintiff lawyers exaggerate injuries to get more money" usually work. "I'm prejudiced against [fill in the blank] people" works too. If this doesn't work immediately, serve up a stereotype in response to the judge's question. "Everyone knows that most crimes are committed by black people" will earn you an a quick excusal. I could go on. "I can't pay attention because I'm worried about..." "Maybe this case is important to these people but I've got my own problems and I can't concentrate on their while I'm worried about my own."
- mystraline 6mo ago"Your honor, it is my ethical framework that I first must determine if the law should even be the law, and secondly if the defendant did it if the law is worthy. I will find the defendant not guilty even if they claim in open court they did it, but the law is bad." (Basis and justification of jury nullification.) Edit: Seriously, -1's? Given how many bad laws there are, judging the law first, then the defendant should be a given.
- paxys 6mo agoIt's already impossible to stop someone from recording if they are really determined. Pen cameras, button cameras and all sorts of miniature devices exist and can be snuck through very easily. You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage.
- Suzuran 6mo agoThe problem is punishing the uploader doesn't remove the upload. Once the public has it, it has it forever. It doesn't un-contaminate a jury pool, and there's no later retraction if whatever that was uploaded is found to be lacking context, false, or outright fabricated. Once that kind of damage is done, it can't be un-done.
- wongarsu 6mo agoYeah, that's unfortunate. But the same is true of lots of other crimes. No way to unstab someone. Usually we account for that by setting a higher punishment
- megabless123 6mo ago> You enforce the restriction by prosecuting people who upload the footage. but this is impossible to guarantee as well
- alwa 6mo agoIt sure changes the incentives though. It’s much less attractive to leak recordings as a PR move—or realize any benefit that cranky humorless judges can trace back to the recording—if that, in and of itself, constitutes a whole new crime (and effectively confessing to it too).
- jjk166 6mo agoIt's turtles all the way down. If we had a way to perfectly prevent people from doing undesirable things, we wouldn't need courthouses to begin with. The system doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be good enough that reliably circumventing it isn't worth the effort.
- root_axis 6mo agoThat's so far into the future that we can cross that bridge when we come to it.
- emptybits 6mo agoOn the audio side, it's not a stretch to imagine cochlear implants (or hearing aids) having an undetectable recording ability.
- pinkmuffinere 6mo ago> so far into the future Idk, I think this is like, maybe 5 years in the future
- theshrike79 6mo agoYou really need to look into what people are doing with prosthetic eyes. Here's a dude from 3 years ago adding a flashlight: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/yblzi4/guy_turned_his_eye_into_a_flashlight/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/yblzi4/g... And I'm pretty sure I saw one who added a laser to theirs for raves, but can't find the link :) You can buy very very tiny cameras today off the shelf, the main problem would be just packaging either a storage medium or wireless transfer capability + power inside the eye. With government-level budgets it's doable, possibly even by a skilled maker with resources.
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- Dban1 6mo agoEMP wave.
- _trampeltier 6mo agoFor ex. in a lot factorys, is is forbidden to make pictures (and movies). So maybe you just don't have access to such areas. In Switzerland pen cameras etc. are just forbidden.
- ghaff 6mo agoIn fact, pre smartphones more or less, bringing cameras into even an office workplace was generally pretty controlled. Still is under some circumstances.
- kstrauser 6mo agoI banned them from our office and while using work-issued computers. There’s no circumstance here in which someone should be working with a personal camera aimed at their screen.
- _trampeltier 6mo agoRecently someone showd me a cellphone picture from something he saw in our company. He was not brave enought to make a screenshot (with the companys computer), so he made just a photo with his cellphone from the screen. So, this is a thing.
- hau 6mo agoOn-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. State, municipal, border and patrol random checks for proper attestation of implants. Of course manufacture and installation of such implants is licensed and tightly regulated. Think of children. It's not very different from smartphone. But now instead of modem you have nn "firmware" with broad capabilities to warn privacy and ethics police when you are out of line. Recording in the wrong place, or looking at a crime and not reporting. "Off mode" won't fly for a gun, and your implant threatens children, so I don't believe this could be delegated to the user.
- TeMPOraL 6mo ago> On-board NN moderates all interactions. Moral NN core must be updated montlhy to support latest moral and legal checks by NN. This core reports when you are doing something suspicious. This module is formally called "conscience" and fortunately, at this time, is securely sandboxed to not directly communicate with any device or service outside of the body.
- Traubenfuchs 6mo agoLook how that worked out for whatever‘s your favorite mass genocide in history.
- TeMPOraL 6mo agoI don't think networking it with powers-that-be will help, though.
- guzfip 6mo agoThankfully Silicon Valley discovered you can be so much more productive by removing the conscience as well as the soul.
- hau 6mo agoThis is dangerous terrorist version you are talking about. People can not be trusted with choosing their own conscience, that's how you get terrorists and pedophiles. Remotely attested module is trusted by democratic authority, not using it is basically admiting intention to hurt fellow citizens.
- stainablesteel 6mo agowhat will happen is people will get away with it, unfettered, until someday someone ends up in a courtroom for it. they'll be punished, then if it happens frequently enough more people will chime in on wanting a way to inhibit it, maybe people would start wearing those anti-paparazzi-clothes that somehow ruin the footage
- veunes 6mo agoYou can ask someone to take off glasses or power down a phone, but you can't really "check" an implant in the same way
- theragra 6mo agoI don't remember the book, but some scifi novel had an idea where each visitor to some country needed software installed on their implant. This software allowed any one to be opted out of visitor to see their face and clothing style. Basically, on demand anonymity in real life.