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Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

cogman10 6mo ago
Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.
- hansvm 6mo ago
  It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment, and cognitive bias causes you to only remember when that happens when you recently performed an update. /s
  - gruez 6mo ago
    >It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment I can't tell whether you're serious but in case you are, this theory immediately falls apart when you realize waymo operates at night but there aren't any night photos.
    - hansvm 6mo ago
      Thanks for the comment. Lack of seriousness is now appropriately indicated.
  - cogman10 6mo ago
    My assumption is that CF has something like a SVM that it's feeding a bunch of datapoints into for bot detection. Go over some threshold and you end up in the CAPTCHA jail. I'm certain the User-Agent is part of it. I know that for certain because a very reliable way I can trigger the CF stuff is this plugin with the wrong browser selected [1]. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/
jychang 6mo ago
Most people are on a CGNAT these days, drowning in captchas is the new normal. You’re at the mercy of one of your neighbors not hosting a botnet from their home computer.
- tokioyoyo 6mo ago
  Not even remotely true, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. The only time I get captcha'ed is when I sometimes VPN around, or do some custom browser stuff and etc. I'll even say I get captcha'ed less now than maybe 5 years ago.
  - jychang 6mo ago
    Just wait until your ISP puts you behind a CGNAT. Or if you ever need to travel a lot and tether off your phone. Most mobile devices are IPV6 only (via 464XLAT) behind a CGNAT these days.
    - tokioyoyo 6mo ago
      Again, no clue what you’re talking about. The only time I had to deal with shit was when I was travelling a bit sketchy countries. I get that “Cloudfare is verifying your connection” loading screen from time to time, but there’s no captchas involved. Super majority of people don’t use VPNs, or rare browsers, or avoid fingerprinting and etc. When you browse like regular you don’t notice the friction. That’s the selling point of companies like CF, because website owners don’t want to lose real traffic.
- perching_aix 6mo ago
  For better or for worse, CF's fingerprinting and traffic filtering is a lot more in-depth than just IP trend analysis. Kind of by necessity, exactly because of what you mention. So I'd think that's not as big a worry per se.
  - lxgr 6mo ago
    Yet here I am drowning in captchas every once in a while, so it's quite a big worry for me. Maybe I just have to disable all ad blockers and Safari tracking prevention? Or I guess I could send a link to a scan of my photo ID in a custom request header like X-Please-Cloudflare-May-I-Use-Your-Open-Web?
g-b-r 6mo ago
Maybe you allow tracking and cookies?
- Eji1700 6mo ago
  I don't, and I rarely have issues with firefox. Private + blockers + VPN causes, expected, issues but otherwise i'm usually fine?

cogman10 6mo ago

Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.

hansvm 6mo ago
It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment, and cognitive bias causes you to only remember when that happens when you recently performed an update. /s
- gruez 6mo ago
  >It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment I can't tell whether you're serious but in case you are, this theory immediately falls apart when you realize waymo operates at night but there aren't any night photos.
  - hansvm 6mo ago
    Thanks for the comment. Lack of seriousness is now appropriately indicated.
- cogman10 6mo ago
  My assumption is that CF has something like a SVM that it's feeding a bunch of datapoints into for bot detection. Go over some threshold and you end up in the CAPTCHA jail. I'm certain the User-Agent is part of it. I know that for certain because a very reliable way I can trigger the CF stuff is this plugin with the wrong browser selected [1]. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/

jychang 6mo ago

Most people are on a CGNAT these days, drowning in captchas is the new normal. You’re at the mercy of one of your neighbors not hosting a botnet from their home computer.

tokioyoyo 6mo ago
Not even remotely true, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. The only time I get captcha'ed is when I sometimes VPN around, or do some custom browser stuff and etc. I'll even say I get captcha'ed less now than maybe 5 years ago.
- jychang 6mo ago
  Just wait until your ISP puts you behind a CGNAT. Or if you ever need to travel a lot and tether off your phone. Most mobile devices are IPV6 only (via 464XLAT) behind a CGNAT these days.
  - tokioyoyo 6mo ago
    Again, no clue what you’re talking about. The only time I had to deal with shit was when I was travelling a bit sketchy countries. I get that “Cloudfare is verifying your connection” loading screen from time to time, but there’s no captchas involved. Super majority of people don’t use VPNs, or rare browsers, or avoid fingerprinting and etc. When you browse like regular you don’t notice the friction. That’s the selling point of companies like CF, because website owners don’t want to lose real traffic.
perching_aix 6mo ago
For better or for worse, CF's fingerprinting and traffic filtering is a lot more in-depth than just IP trend analysis. Kind of by necessity, exactly because of what you mention. So I'd think that's not as big a worry per se.
- lxgr 6mo ago
  Yet here I am drowning in captchas every once in a while, so it's quite a big worry for me. Maybe I just have to disable all ad blockers and Safari tracking prevention? Or I guess I could send a link to a scan of my photo ID in a custom request header like X-Please-Cloudflare-May-I-Use-Your-Open-Web?

g-b-r 6mo ago

Maybe you allow tracking and cookies?

Eji1700 6mo ago
I don't, and I rarely have issues with firefox. Private + blockers + VPN causes, expected, issues but otherwise i'm usually fine?