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Right! And because China has a good chance of pulling of a moon and then mars landing first, they are lurching into, hmmmm,ok,they are lurching flat out trying

Right! And because China has a good chance of pulling of a moon and then mars landing first, they are lurching into, hmmmm,ok,they are lurching flat out trying to bluster up a program without disturbing the space grift industry, ie: SLS , Shuttle Leftover Systems and the whole thing disolves into cringe

Muromec 7mo ago
Disbanding NASA would be one of those symbolic things thay people will associate the dusk of American empire.
- readthenotes1 7mo ago
  Nah. It will probably be either the Space Shuttle or Artemis. That is to say, programs that showed NASA lost control of its mission to graft
- pfdietz 7mo ago
  Avoiding something for such symbolic reasons is negative cargo cult thinking.
  - Supermancho 7mo ago
    > Avoiding something [disbanding NASA] for such symbolic reasons [???] is negative cargo cult thinking. Cargo-cult requires a rigid through-line. What criteria would you use, to choose to avoid something in order to preemptively avoid hindsight analysis? It's a nonsensical line of thinking.
    - pfdietz 7mo ago
      Cargo cult requires a confusion of cause and effect. Airplanes carrying cargo didn't land because there was a control tower; they landed because of prior causes that also caused the construction of a control tower. And here, the US does not decline because of some symbolic action, but rather decline causes the action. This confusion of cause and effect is literally a kind of magical thinking.
      - mikkupikku 7mo ago
        You're broadly right, but I think you're missing the part where perception of reality feeds back into reality, e.g. through economic effects. Demoralized Americans with less hope for the future stop caring, stop trying, and this in turn hastens that same decline.
        pfdietz 7mo ago
        I think that's just an untestable rationalization.
  - Muromec 7mo ago
    You are right and I don't think it should be avoided. It's just that, a symbolic milestone of sorts. A cutoff date.

Muromec 7mo ago

Disbanding NASA would be one of those symbolic things thay people will associate the dusk of American empire.

readthenotes1 7mo ago
Nah. It will probably be either the Space Shuttle or Artemis. That is to say, programs that showed NASA lost control of its mission to graft
pfdietz 7mo ago
Avoiding something for such symbolic reasons is negative cargo cult thinking.
- Supermancho 7mo ago
  > Avoiding something [disbanding NASA] for such symbolic reasons [???] is negative cargo cult thinking. Cargo-cult requires a rigid through-line. What criteria would you use, to choose to avoid something in order to preemptively avoid hindsight analysis? It's a nonsensical line of thinking.
  - pfdietz 7mo ago
    Cargo cult requires a confusion of cause and effect. Airplanes carrying cargo didn't land because there was a control tower; they landed because of prior causes that also caused the construction of a control tower. And here, the US does not decline because of some symbolic action, but rather decline causes the action. This confusion of cause and effect is literally a kind of magical thinking.
    - mikkupikku 7mo ago
      You're broadly right, but I think you're missing the part where perception of reality feeds back into reality, e.g. through economic effects. Demoralized Americans with less hope for the future stop caring, stop trying, and this in turn hastens that same decline.
      - pfdietz 7mo ago
        I think that's just an untestable rationalization.
- Muromec 7mo ago
  You are right and I don't think it should be avoided. It's just that, a symbolic milestone of sorts. A cutoff date.