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> "What I will say is that in recent years, Apple has really accelerated the performance of their SSDs. And this has been a key part of the argument as to why P

> "What I will say is that in recent years, Apple has really accelerated the performance of their SSDs. And this has been a key part of the argument as to why PCs are absolute trash." Umm, for the past 5+ years or so PC SSDs have have generally been as fast or faster than what Apple has been shipping. When Apple moved to NVMe they did so before the PC industry for the most part and had some advantage but they got eclipsed.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
In $600 PCs?
- chocochunks 7mo ago
  Yes, even in $600 PCs. The SSD in the Neo is not particularly good either. Here's an example, a 649€ laptop: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Slim-5-15-laptop-review-Great-value-for-money-with-an-AMD-SoC-and-an-aluminum-case.945877.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Slim-5-15-lapto... 6200 MB/s Read, 4300 MB/s Write vs the 699€ Macbook Neo: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Neo-Review-Surprisingly-good-and-capable-laptop-for-599-with-one-big-flaw.1247679.0.html#c15779363 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Neo-Review-Surpr... 1550 MB/s Read, 1500 MB/s Write The Neo is well below the class average.
  - saltcured 7mo ago
    Not knowing these devices personally, I'll just say I find most of these sorts of SSD performance summaries completely useless. Too often, specs or even shallow benchmarks report little more than some theoretical peak speed from system to SSD controller RAM buffers, without any real information about reads or writes that actually go all the way to the solid state storage cells. And even when they do go all the way, they fail to really highlight performance variance for different realistic workloads...
    - wtallis 7mo ago
      As a general rule: any SSD benchmark that gives you a result of over 1GB/s is not measuring what's actually most important for day to day interactive use. And anything that's within a factor of two of the SSD's marketing numbers is probably relevant only to copying a single file to or from another SSD.
    - Melatonic 7mo ago
      Sustained write speed is usually important as these things heat up and often aren't cooled properly. Which is not hard to test.
  - justinclift 7mo ago
    > 6200 MB/s Read, 4300 MB/s Write That's in bursts though, not sustained. Though, that's probably completely fine for the target users for these devices.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago

In $600 PCs?

chocochunks 7mo ago
Yes, even in $600 PCs. The SSD in the Neo is not particularly good either. Here's an example, a 649€ laptop: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Slim-5-15-laptop-review-Great-value-for-money-with-an-AMD-SoC-and-an-aluminum-case.945877.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Slim-5-15-lapto... 6200 MB/s Read, 4300 MB/s Write vs the 699€ Macbook Neo: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Neo-Review-Surprisingly-good-and-capable-laptop-for-599-with-one-big-flaw.1247679.0.html#c15779363 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Neo-Review-Surpr... 1550 MB/s Read, 1500 MB/s Write The Neo is well below the class average.
- saltcured 7mo ago
  Not knowing these devices personally, I'll just say I find most of these sorts of SSD performance summaries completely useless. Too often, specs or even shallow benchmarks report little more than some theoretical peak speed from system to SSD controller RAM buffers, without any real information about reads or writes that actually go all the way to the solid state storage cells. And even when they do go all the way, they fail to really highlight performance variance for different realistic workloads...
  - wtallis 7mo ago
    As a general rule: any SSD benchmark that gives you a result of over 1GB/s is not measuring what's actually most important for day to day interactive use. And anything that's within a factor of two of the SSD's marketing numbers is probably relevant only to copying a single file to or from another SSD.
  - Melatonic 7mo ago
    Sustained write speed is usually important as these things heat up and often aren't cooled properly. Which is not hard to test.
- justinclift 7mo ago
  > 6200 MB/s Read, 4300 MB/s Write That's in bursts though, not sustained. Though, that's probably completely fine for the target users for these devices.