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If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be

by kleiba 7mo ago

If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be good. Egészségére!

orleyhuxwell 7mo ago
I'm Polish and I was positivity shocked that we oppose it. I remember attending some protests against ACTA which as far as I remember was supposed to be something similar, back in my student days. It was -17°C and people still showed up. Apparently we have some culture of opposing censorship and invigilation by state. May come in handy if the democratic decline keeps progressing...
- warkdarrior 7mo ago
  Do you mean "surveillance" by the word "invigilation" here?
  - subscribed 7mo ago
    Could be a wordplay due to the fact "invigilation" can be translated to and from the Polish word with a _very_ heavy and long connotations to the USSR state surveillance, oppression and abuse. Surveillance would be a more "modern" (even if more natural or seemingly correct word), without this sort of the implied baggage.
    - pietmichal 7mo ago
      It's not a wordplay. Poles usually make a mistake because "invigilation" sounds english enough to them and just assume it is an english word.
      - orleyhuxwell 7mo ago
        Yes it was my mistake, exactly the case you've described.
- Imustaskforhelp 7mo ago
  If we are talking about freedom fighters, Polish freedom fighters/struggles are second most influential to me after my own country especially because of Witold Pilecki. I once wrote a paper about Witold pilecki for my english project for who I consider to be the most influential person or something similar. I picked Witold pilecki because I had read a book which talked about him and it captured so much of my mind. For those who don't know, Witold Pilecki is a polish person who was the first and perhaps only person who willingly entered holocaust/auschwitz and then he was the first person to realize all the horrors happening inside, He then used washing machine parts (iirc) to send the signal to the allies, who COULDN'T believe what Pilecki said was happening. The amounts of Atrocities they thought wasn't possible. When he found out that help wasn't coming, He decided to free himself and He accomplished doing that by taking a job at something bread related who then ends up leaving. He then married an Polish teacher (iirc) and had kids but after Russia had won over Polish, he was fake trialed and he was falsely accused of treason. His last words were, "I've been trying to live my life so that in the hour of my death I would rather feel joy, than fear." On a personal level, when I was writing that project and this line, I genuinely believe that this might be one of the most influential lines to me that I have ever heard which has genuinely influenced me. It was during this project that I found Sabaton from trying to research about Witold pilecki and found so many gems that Sabaton is quite part of my music taste now :-) Sabaton- Inmate 4859: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ (This song is about Witold Pilecki) Sabaton Uprising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeNBRbWXpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeNBRbWXpI (Another Polish warsaw related song that I found after I had discovered Sabaton from the Inmate 4859 song) I hope that you are proud of your heritage/nation. I am sure that Poland might have flaws too but I do believe that its history is quite rich and something to be quite proud of. I am surprised not more people know about Witold Pilecki but I hope I am doing my part raising awareness about that hero. Within my country, some of the revolutionaries which feel influential on such level to me feel most importantly Bhagat Singh, Subash Chandra Bose, Chandrashekhar Azad. These are also people who have influenced me. There is also the story of how an Indian ruler hosted Polish WWII refugees[0] and helped them within his kingdom, which I am not sure if many Polish know. While I was writing this comment, I discovered a good song about Indian revolutionaries as well which I feel like sharing too: Krantiveer (Revolutionary): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uXZG0pTxME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uXZG0pTxME [Turn the subtitles (on)] I think my point can be summarized by a quote from Subash chandra bose, that freedom is not given, it is taken. [0]: https://indianexpress.com/article/research/the-good-maharaja-when-a-gujarat-ruler-hosted-polish-wwii-refugees-9538140/ https://indianexpress.com/article/research/the-good-maharaja...
nomel 7mo ago
There a practical reason for this? like more alignment with lobbyists, for whatever financial reasons?
- jiggawatts 7mo ago
  Over the last two decades Hungary reversed course from a democracy joining the west to an authoritarian dictatorship in bed with the Russians. Hence, everything their government does is the opposite of what a typical European Union member would approve of.
  - IshKebab 7mo ago
    I wonder what it would take to expel them from the EU...
    - wolvoleo 7mo ago
      It's simply not possible. EU law has no provisions for kicking a malignant country out. It was simply not foreseen. They can only decide to leave themselves. Which orban will never do because his oligarchs make billions off EU subsidies. If it were it would have happened already.
      - jiggawatts 7mo ago
        EU2: the no-Hungary club
      - wisplike 7mo ago
        Order is on the verge of breakdown I wouldn't be surprised if they just lose their voice/get kicked out. Trump etc are tearing down international order. The ramifications of this will be decades long.
      - rcbdev 7mo ago
        They cannot make them leave the EU, no. But Hungary can be: - kicked out of the Schengen Treaty - kicked out of the NATO - fined under EU breach of contract proceedings - withheld financial support as long as they do not pay these fines - forced through customs policy, which is sole EU competence, to stop compensating lost EU support with Chinese money Honestly, I'd be in full support of some above listed actions if the elections in April show the current will of the Hungarian people misaligned with shared EU values.

by kleiba 7mo ago

If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be good. Egészségére!

orleyhuxwell 7mo ago

I'm Polish and I was positivity shocked that we oppose it. I remember attending some protests against ACTA which as far as I remember was supposed to be something similar, back in my student days. It was -17°C and people still showed up. Apparently we have some culture of opposing censorship and invigilation by state. May come in handy if the democratic decline keeps progressing...

warkdarrior 7mo ago
Do you mean "surveillance" by the word "invigilation" here?
- subscribed 7mo ago
  Could be a wordplay due to the fact "invigilation" can be translated to and from the Polish word with a _very_ heavy and long connotations to the USSR state surveillance, oppression and abuse. Surveillance would be a more "modern" (even if more natural or seemingly correct word), without this sort of the implied baggage.
  - pietmichal 7mo ago
    It's not a wordplay. Poles usually make a mistake because "invigilation" sounds english enough to them and just assume it is an english word.
    - orleyhuxwell 7mo ago
      Yes it was my mistake, exactly the case you've described.
Imustaskforhelp 7mo ago
If we are talking about freedom fighters, Polish freedom fighters/struggles are second most influential to me after my own country especially because of Witold Pilecki. I once wrote a paper about Witold pilecki for my english project for who I consider to be the most influential person or something similar. I picked Witold pilecki because I had read a book which talked about him and it captured so much of my mind. For those who don't know, Witold Pilecki is a polish person who was the first and perhaps only person who willingly entered holocaust/auschwitz and then he was the first person to realize all the horrors happening inside, He then used washing machine parts (iirc) to send the signal to the allies, who COULDN'T believe what Pilecki said was happening. The amounts of Atrocities they thought wasn't possible. When he found out that help wasn't coming, He decided to free himself and He accomplished doing that by taking a job at something bread related who then ends up leaving. He then married an Polish teacher (iirc) and had kids but after Russia had won over Polish, he was fake trialed and he was falsely accused of treason. His last words were, "I've been trying to live my life so that in the hour of my death I would rather feel joy, than fear." On a personal level, when I was writing that project and this line, I genuinely believe that this might be one of the most influential lines to me that I have ever heard which has genuinely influenced me. It was during this project that I found Sabaton from trying to research about Witold pilecki and found so many gems that Sabaton is quite part of my music taste now :-) Sabaton- Inmate 4859: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ (This song is about Witold Pilecki) Sabaton Uprising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeNBRbWXpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzeNBRbWXpI (Another Polish warsaw related song that I found after I had discovered Sabaton from the Inmate 4859 song) I hope that you are proud of your heritage/nation. I am sure that Poland might have flaws too but I do believe that its history is quite rich and something to be quite proud of. I am surprised not more people know about Witold Pilecki but I hope I am doing my part raising awareness about that hero. Within my country, some of the revolutionaries which feel influential on such level to me feel most importantly Bhagat Singh, Subash Chandra Bose, Chandrashekhar Azad. These are also people who have influenced me. There is also the story of how an Indian ruler hosted Polish WWII refugees[0] and helped them within his kingdom, which I am not sure if many Polish know. While I was writing this comment, I discovered a good song about Indian revolutionaries as well which I feel like sharing too: Krantiveer (Revolutionary): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uXZG0pTxME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uXZG0pTxME [Turn the subtitles (on)] I think my point can be summarized by a quote from Subash chandra bose, that freedom is not given, it is taken. [0]: https://indianexpress.com/article/research/the-good-maharaja-when-a-gujarat-ruler-hosted-polish-wwii-refugees-9538140/ https://indianexpress.com/article/research/the-good-maharaja...

nomel 7mo ago

There a practical reason for this? like more alignment with lobbyists, for whatever financial reasons?

jiggawatts 7mo ago
Over the last two decades Hungary reversed course from a democracy joining the west to an authoritarian dictatorship in bed with the Russians. Hence, everything their government does is the opposite of what a typical European Union member would approve of.
- IshKebab 7mo ago
  I wonder what it would take to expel them from the EU...
  - wolvoleo 7mo ago
    It's simply not possible. EU law has no provisions for kicking a malignant country out. It was simply not foreseen. They can only decide to leave themselves. Which orban will never do because his oligarchs make billions off EU subsidies. If it were it would have happened already.
    - jiggawatts 7mo ago
      EU2: the no-Hungary club
    - wisplike 7mo ago
      Order is on the verge of breakdown I wouldn't be surprised if they just lose their voice/get kicked out. Trump etc are tearing down international order. The ramifications of this will be decades long.
    - rcbdev 7mo ago
      They cannot make them leave the EU, no. But Hungary can be: - kicked out of the Schengen Treaty - kicked out of the NATO - fined under EU breach of contract proceedings - withheld financial support as long as they do not pay these fines - forced through customs policy, which is sole EU competence, to stop compensating lost EU support with Chinese money Honestly, I'd be in full support of some above listed actions if the elections in April show the current will of the Hungarian people misaligned with shared EU values.