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If there is anyone who absolutely should slow down, it's the folks who are actively integrating company data with an agent -- you are literally helping removing

If there is anyone who absolutely should slow down, it's the folks who are actively integrating company data with an agent -- you are literally helping removing as many jobs as possible, from your colleagues, and from yourselves, not in the long term, but in the short term. Integration is the key to the agents. Individual usages don't help AI much because it is confined within the domain of that individual.

latchkey 7mo ago
> you are literally helping removing as many jobs as possible, from your colleagues, and from yourselves, not in the long term, but in the short term Pull the bandaid off quickly, it hurts less.
abletonlive 7mo ago
> If there is anyone who absolutely should slow down, it's the folks who are actively integrating company data with an agent -- you are literally helping removing as many jobs as possible, from your colleagues, and from yourselves, not in the long term, but in the short term. I'm one of those people and I'm not going to slow down. I want to move on from bullshit jobs. The only people that fear what is coming are those that lack imagination and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve.
- guzfip 7mo ago
  > I want to move on from bullshit jobs. So are you aiming for death poverty? Once those bullshit jobs go, we’re going to find a lot of people incapable of producing anything of value while still costing quite a bit to upkeep. These people will have to be gotten rid of somehow. > and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve. There will be plenty of problems to solve. Like who will wipe the ass of the very people that hate you and want to subjugate you.
  - abletonlive 7mo ago
    Name a single time doomers were right about anything. Doomers consistently overstate their expected outcome in every single domain and consistently fail to predict how society evolves and adapts. Again: The only people that fear what is coming are those that lack imagination and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve.
    - guzfip 7mo ago
      > Name a single time doomers were right about anything. - NFTs - Surveillance schizos - Global Pedophile Cabal schizos - Anyone who didn’t believe we were a year out from Star Trek living when LLMs first started picking up steam - People who predicted the flood of people entering Software via bootcamps, etc. would never cause any problems because their god of software is consuming the world too quickly for supply and demand to ever be a real concern. - Anyone amongst the sea of delusional democrats who did indeed believe Trump could win a second term. All of those doomers were vindicated, and that’s just recently.
      - api 7mo ago
        I was thinking the other day about why a "global pedophile cabal" would be a thing. I still think that phrase overstates it a bit, but not that much. Committing a crime with someone bonds you to them. First, it's a kind of shared social behavior, and it's one that is exclusive to you and your friends who commit the same kinds of crimes. Any shared experience bonds people, crimes included. Having a shared secret also bonds people. Second, it creates an implied pact of mutually assured destruction. Everyone knows the skeletons in everyone else's closet, so it creates a web of trust. Anyone defecting could possibly be punished by selectively revealing their crimes, and vice versa. Game theoretically it overcomes tit-for-tat and enables all-cooperate interactions, at least to some extent, and even among people who otherwise don't like each other or don't have a lot in common. Third, it separates the serious from the unserious. If you want to be a member of the club, do the bad thing. It's a form of high cost membership gating. This works for other kinds of crimes too. It's not that unusual for criminal gangs to demand that initiates commit a crime and provide evidence, or commit a crime in front of existing members. These can be things like robbery, murder, and so on. Anyone not willing to do this probably isn't serious and can't be trusted. Once someone does do it, you know they're really in. It naturally creates cabals. The crime comes first, the cabal second, but then the cabal can realize this and start using the crime as a gateway to admission. Every mutual interest creates a community, but a secret criminal mutual interest creates a special kind of tight knit community. In a world that's increasingly atomized and divided, that's power. I think it neatly explains how the Epstein network could be so powerful and effective.
- markus_zhang 7mo ago
  If you don't want to slow down, maybe accelerating is the second better option for ordinary people.
- travmiller 7mo ago
  Exactly. The amount of bs bloatwork anywhere I've ever worked is insane and growing. We need to move on.
- lpcvoid 7mo ago
  That's a mighty high horse you are riding there
  - abletonlive 7mo ago
    Ah yes, me on a high horse. Not the person whose entire worldview depends on defying nash equilibrium. You're all wasting brain cycles to discuss some unrealistic cooperative agreement to slow down and sing 'kumbaya' and telling us that if we don't get to this state that we will on the streets homeless. If this is me on a horse then you are on top of an ivory tower managing my beast of burden.
mememememememo 7mo ago
We reduce jobs every time we e.g. fix a bug. Where do you stop?
- markus_zhang 7mo ago
  I think there is a line somewhere people need to draw, when a technology such as AI invades into ALL areas, threatening to reduce a percentage of jobs so quickly, without the potential to creating new TYPES of jobs that can feed many. It is different from computers, and it is different from trains.

latchkey 7mo ago

> you are literally helping removing as many jobs as possible, from your colleagues, and from yourselves, not in the long term, but in the short term Pull the bandaid off quickly, it hurts less.

abletonlive 7mo ago

> If there is anyone who absolutely should slow down, it's the folks who are actively integrating company data with an agent -- you are literally helping removing as many jobs as possible, from your colleagues, and from yourselves, not in the long term, but in the short term. I'm one of those people and I'm not going to slow down. I want to move on from bullshit jobs. The only people that fear what is coming are those that lack imagination and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve.

guzfip 7mo ago
> I want to move on from bullshit jobs. So are you aiming for death poverty? Once those bullshit jobs go, we’re going to find a lot of people incapable of producing anything of value while still costing quite a bit to upkeep. These people will have to be gotten rid of somehow. > and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve. There will be plenty of problems to solve. Like who will wipe the ass of the very people that hate you and want to subjugate you.
- abletonlive 7mo ago
  Name a single time doomers were right about anything. Doomers consistently overstate their expected outcome in every single domain and consistently fail to predict how society evolves and adapts. Again: The only people that fear what is coming are those that lack imagination and think we are going to run out of things to do, or run out of problems to create and solve.
  - guzfip 7mo ago
    > Name a single time doomers were right about anything. - NFTs - Surveillance schizos - Global Pedophile Cabal schizos - Anyone who didn’t believe we were a year out from Star Trek living when LLMs first started picking up steam - People who predicted the flood of people entering Software via bootcamps, etc. would never cause any problems because their god of software is consuming the world too quickly for supply and demand to ever be a real concern. - Anyone amongst the sea of delusional democrats who did indeed believe Trump could win a second term. All of those doomers were vindicated, and that’s just recently.
    - api 7mo ago
      I was thinking the other day about why a "global pedophile cabal" would be a thing. I still think that phrase overstates it a bit, but not that much. Committing a crime with someone bonds you to them. First, it's a kind of shared social behavior, and it's one that is exclusive to you and your friends who commit the same kinds of crimes. Any shared experience bonds people, crimes included. Having a shared secret also bonds people. Second, it creates an implied pact of mutually assured destruction. Everyone knows the skeletons in everyone else's closet, so it creates a web of trust. Anyone defecting could possibly be punished by selectively revealing their crimes, and vice versa. Game theoretically it overcomes tit-for-tat and enables all-cooperate interactions, at least to some extent, and even among people who otherwise don't like each other or don't have a lot in common. Third, it separates the serious from the unserious. If you want to be a member of the club, do the bad thing. It's a form of high cost membership gating. This works for other kinds of crimes too. It's not that unusual for criminal gangs to demand that initiates commit a crime and provide evidence, or commit a crime in front of existing members. These can be things like robbery, murder, and so on. Anyone not willing to do this probably isn't serious and can't be trusted. Once someone does do it, you know they're really in. It naturally creates cabals. The crime comes first, the cabal second, but then the cabal can realize this and start using the crime as a gateway to admission. Every mutual interest creates a community, but a secret criminal mutual interest creates a special kind of tight knit community. In a world that's increasingly atomized and divided, that's power. I think it neatly explains how the Epstein network could be so powerful and effective.
markus_zhang 7mo ago
If you don't want to slow down, maybe accelerating is the second better option for ordinary people.
travmiller 7mo ago
Exactly. The amount of bs bloatwork anywhere I've ever worked is insane and growing. We need to move on.
lpcvoid 7mo ago
That's a mighty high horse you are riding there
- abletonlive 7mo ago
  Ah yes, me on a high horse. Not the person whose entire worldview depends on defying nash equilibrium. You're all wasting brain cycles to discuss some unrealistic cooperative agreement to slow down and sing 'kumbaya' and telling us that if we don't get to this state that we will on the streets homeless. If this is me on a horse then you are on top of an ivory tower managing my beast of burden.

mememememememo 7mo ago

We reduce jobs every time we e.g. fix a bug. Where do you stop?

markus_zhang 7mo ago
I think there is a line somewhere people need to draw, when a technology such as AI invades into ALL areas, threatening to reduce a percentage of jobs so quickly, without the potential to creating new TYPES of jobs that can feed many. It is different from computers, and it is different from trains.