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> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down unt

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

catapart 7mo ago
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- frereubu 7mo ago
  I'm in my fifties, have been involved in computing since I was a kid and I like Apple's stance on this because the threat landscape has changed, particularly for non-tech-savvy people. If you want that freedom there are various *nix flavours to choose from, you're not compelled to use Apple.
  - catapart 7mo ago
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- card_zero 7mo ago
  "Installation rights", fucking hell.
frizlab 7mo ago
> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone. They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…
- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.
  - pram 7mo ago
    "locked down" is a vague, moving target. The criticisms of pre-OSX MacOS was that it was an operating system for little babies, and not serious tech enthusiasts and power users. Also they were too expensive, and you can build a PC that is 100000x more powerful for cheaper. This literally hasn't changed.
    - wazdra 7mo ago
      Are you being sarcastic? This has definitely changed with Apple Silicon. Looking at hardware value, the M-series are way more competitive than the Intel macs ever were, and if you want to run an LLM locally, they are undefeated. However, it is quite ironic that while the value of their hardware has sharply increased, their software has become the slop that everyone is complaining about.
    - NoNoisle 7mo ago
      Uh where’s the cheaper MacBook neo that is 100000x more powerful?
      - pram 7mo ago
        it’s sarcasm
      - queenkjuul 7mo ago
        So you think people are building their own laptops?
  - iSnow 7mo ago
    Their previous lock-downs were on the hardware level, not offering ISA slots and stuff. The original Mac (then Mac+ and classic) had no expansion slots at all, and they started adding them only later.
    - vunderba 7mo ago
      Exactly. After the Apple II, it was a post-Woz world. There’s a reason Apple owns so many patents on proprietary types of screws...
- drcongo 7mo ago
  My uncle shouts at cats and thinks the CIA have an implant in his fillings, but I'm not claiming that as proof on HN.
- mathgradthrow 7mo ago
  wasn't that about when the iphone came out?
  - frizlab 7mo ago
    First iPhone was 18 years ago, but yeah it around the time of the first iPhone. IIRC he actually mentioned that because he had already been confronted to Apple’s lockdown before the iPhone. It was a long time ago and I was young, so I don’t remember the details.
  - bsimpson 7mo ago
    There was a decade between them.

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

catapart 7mo ago

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frereubu 7mo ago
I'm in my fifties, have been involved in computing since I was a kid and I like Apple's stance on this because the threat landscape has changed, particularly for non-tech-savvy people. If you want that freedom there are various *nix flavours to choose from, you're not compelled to use Apple.
- catapart 7mo ago
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card_zero 7mo ago
"Installation rights", fucking hell.

frizlab 7mo ago

> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone. They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…

embedding-shape 7mo ago
Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.
- pram 7mo ago
  "locked down" is a vague, moving target. The criticisms of pre-OSX MacOS was that it was an operating system for little babies, and not serious tech enthusiasts and power users. Also they were too expensive, and you can build a PC that is 100000x more powerful for cheaper. This literally hasn't changed.
  - wazdra 7mo ago
    Are you being sarcastic? This has definitely changed with Apple Silicon. Looking at hardware value, the M-series are way more competitive than the Intel macs ever were, and if you want to run an LLM locally, they are undefeated. However, it is quite ironic that while the value of their hardware has sharply increased, their software has become the slop that everyone is complaining about.
  - NoNoisle 7mo ago
    Uh where’s the cheaper MacBook neo that is 100000x more powerful?
    - pram 7mo ago
      it’s sarcasm
    - queenkjuul 7mo ago
      So you think people are building their own laptops?
- iSnow 7mo ago
  Their previous lock-downs were on the hardware level, not offering ISA slots and stuff. The original Mac (then Mac+ and classic) had no expansion slots at all, and they started adding them only later.
  - vunderba 7mo ago
    Exactly. After the Apple II, it was a post-Woz world. There’s a reason Apple owns so many patents on proprietary types of screws...
drcongo 7mo ago
My uncle shouts at cats and thinks the CIA have an implant in his fillings, but I'm not claiming that as proof on HN.
mathgradthrow 7mo ago
wasn't that about when the iphone came out?
- frizlab 7mo ago
  First iPhone was 18 years ago, but yeah it around the time of the first iPhone. IIRC he actually mentioned that because he had already been confronted to Apple’s lockdown before the iPhone. It was a long time ago and I was young, so I don’t remember the details.
- bsimpson 7mo ago
  There was a decade between them.