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They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to ev

by muzani 7mo ago

They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite song. The video slop can well replace TikTok and Reels. Make educational content about your hometown. Explain how to throw an uppercut. But I guess the desire to create something that others would consume is also different from the desire to simply create.

camillomiller 7mo ago
Some want to consume... content that they don't think they could do in one minute themselves. They want to consume content made by other humans, even if it's still brain-eating algorithmic fodder, but still. Sora proved it quite clearly. These clips had ZERO value.
jaapz 7mo ago
> Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. The musician in me just shed a tear
- whaleofatw2022 7mo ago
  Pink Beatles, in a purple Zeppelin comes to mind
  - Geedis 7mo ago
    Had to create an account just to let you know that someone out there got the reference.
- criley2 7mo ago
  Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?
  - animuchan 7mo ago
    So true. AI music gens like Suno can't do Paul Shapera works even remotely, but can recreate a lot of pop or EDM music very faithfully. There's just no distance to close, it's already mainstreamly bad.
  - azan_ 7mo ago
    > Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. What are you talking about? There’s lots of modern music that’s not corporate slop and that’s absolutely great. Never in history was access to great music as easy as it is now.
    - criley2 7mo ago
      I'm talking about modern music. Just because a couple of dweebs on hackernews have "totally amazing underground music" doesn't mean the overall zeitgeist agrees. Regardless of your esoteric music tastes, music by sales and music by charting tells a very different story. And that story is one of replaceable slop.
  - BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
    > Modern music has done this to itself I get my modern music from Bandcamp. If you can't find good stuff to listen to, that's a 'you' problem.
    - criley2 7mo ago
      How much of your super-awesome bandcamp music is topping charts, selling millions, packing mega stadiums, and is penetrating the zeitgeist so deeply that people around the world are addicted to it? Maybe, just maybe, I'm not talking about "my" music tastes, but offering commentary on the state of music at a global scale. Weird that this point was so hard to follow!
- seedboot 7mo ago
  That comment for sure made me sad
- NickC25 7mo ago
  I occasionally use Suno to re-imagine songs in different keys, tempos, and genres, and sample them. Most of the output from Suno is slop, but occasionally has a few good bits you can sample, chop up, re-pitch, and create something totally new from, which also has the added benefit of being unrecognizable to rights algorithms and lawyers from major labels. It's a neat tool for genuine creators, and a crutch for people interested in slop.
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bojan 7mo ago
> The video slop can well replace TikTok and Reels. Make educational content about your hometown. Explain how to throw an uppercut. There is a fundamental issue of trust here. Facebook has me tagged as history nerd so I get to see those slop videos. They are fun, but always superficial and often plainly wrong. So unless the slop comes from a known, trustworthy source, the educational element is simply not there. For throwing an uppercut it's even more important, if you follow wrong slop instructions you can end up breaking your wrist or fingers.
delta_p_delta_x 7mo ago
> the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music I wonder what OP categorises as 'mainstream'. As a classical musician this breaks my heart.
- muzani 7mo ago
  Many of the things on a top #100 list for the last few decades. That includes plenty of "indies" as well as pop. There are exceptions though. FUKOUNA GIRL by STOMACH BOOK, for example. AI can't come close to replicating something like this. Not the cover art, not the off-key voices, not the relatable part of the lyrics. I don't believe this is a top #100 song, though it certainly is popular.
  - delian66 7mo ago
    It is chaotic crap.
hansmayer 7mo ago
Sweet Jesus. You realise this is the mental equivalent of stuffing your stomach full of junkfood and soda every day?
- neutronicus 7mo ago
  For a lot of people music is a focus aid, not the object of contemplation.
- noelsusman 7mo ago
  That doesn't sound meaningfully different from what people are already doing on Instagram and TikTok all day.
  - hansmayer 7mo ago
    Absolutely correct and my comment is by no means dedicated just strictly to the AI slop.
- muzani 7mo ago
  This is a mainstream break up song: https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4 https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4 This is a vocaloid break up song: https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE The first isn't bad by any means. There's a million break up songs and that's one of the best sad ones. Most are just... angry? Blaming? Empowering? They work fine. They sell records. Many have have a billion views. But the second one, even with the clunky translation, strikes somewhere deeper. It's written by someone who had enough time ruminating on a break up. The ending hits a little harder, because break up songs are about endings. Both are sincere, but the first feels more formulaic. I'm inclined to think the first one is the soda. I feel Suno leans towards this group of songwriters and poets who have something to say. Sora doesn't.
  - pesus 7mo ago
    Vocaloids are hardly similar to fully AI-generated songs. Vocaloids are still human controlled.
mlrtime 7mo ago
How do you get Suno songs for free? You listen to others or make your own?
- animuchan 7mo ago
  Almost nobody listens to others' songs on Suno, that's the entire point. You wouldn't care to order the food as I personally like it -- might be too spicy (or too bland) for your taste. Suno songs are overtuned for personal preference in the same way.
  - mlrtime 7mo ago
    I get that, but you have to pay to create your own. And on the second part, I somewhat disagree. I mean, yes everyone has a personal preference, but if you bucket all those personal preferences they all fit nicely together (In many buckets).
    - animuchan 7mo ago
      A fairly narrow buckets, sure. I think the point of Suno is to make you not search for your specific thing though, and instead produce your own. Searching for niche music has always been a thing. If our goal is to listen for free, we don't care about Suno (or any other way to make music) one bit, it's just another DAW for those making music. And AI music in general sure has its fans, check out Only Fire for example.
- muzani 7mo ago
  They have a discover section for songs made public.
code_for_monkey 7mo ago
you could not waterboard an admission of bad taste like this out of me
wartywhoa23 7mo ago
I'm with you here, resonates so much. I'm so fed up with endless subway tunnels, they all look and sound utterly same and boring. So I quit riding the overpriced subway altogether and now consume AI-generated subway imagery and soundscapes for free, they are just good enough to feed my passion for boring tunels. Some ego-bloated edgelords had nerve to tell me that there are, like, other modes of transportation, but I honestly find their high-horse elitism despicable.. Damn morons.
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camillomiller 7mo ago

Some want to consume... content that they don't think they could do in one minute themselves. They want to consume content made by other humans, even if it's still brain-eating algorithmic fodder, but still. Sora proved it quite clearly. These clips had ZERO value.

jaapz 7mo ago

> Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. The musician in me just shed a tear

whaleofatw2022 7mo ago
Pink Beatles, in a purple Zeppelin comes to mind
- Geedis 7mo ago
  Had to create an account just to let you know that someone out there got the reference.
criley2 7mo ago
Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. Hopefully AI outcompeting humans at slop sparks a renaissance of humans creating truly beautiful human artwork. And if it doesn't, then was anything of value truly lost?
- animuchan 7mo ago
  So true. AI music gens like Suno can't do Paul Shapera works even remotely, but can recreate a lot of pop or EDM music very faithfully. There's just no distance to close, it's already mainstreamly bad.
- azan_ 7mo ago
  > Modern music has done this to itself. When the human product is already pure corporate slop, it's not hard for AI to compete. What are you talking about? There’s lots of modern music that’s not corporate slop and that’s absolutely great. Never in history was access to great music as easy as it is now.
  - criley2 7mo ago
    I'm talking about modern music. Just because a couple of dweebs on hackernews have "totally amazing underground music" doesn't mean the overall zeitgeist agrees. Regardless of your esoteric music tastes, music by sales and music by charting tells a very different story. And that story is one of replaceable slop.
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
  > Modern music has done this to itself I get my modern music from Bandcamp. If you can't find good stuff to listen to, that's a 'you' problem.
  - criley2 7mo ago
    How much of your super-awesome bandcamp music is topping charts, selling millions, packing mega stadiums, and is penetrating the zeitgeist so deeply that people around the world are addicted to it? Maybe, just maybe, I'm not talking about "my" music tastes, but offering commentary on the state of music at a global scale. Weird that this point was so hard to follow!
seedboot 7mo ago
That comment for sure made me sad
NickC25 7mo ago
I occasionally use Suno to re-imagine songs in different keys, tempos, and genres, and sample them. Most of the output from Suno is slop, but occasionally has a few good bits you can sample, chop up, re-pitch, and create something totally new from, which also has the added benefit of being unrecognizable to rights algorithms and lawyers from major labels. It's a neat tool for genuine creators, and a crutch for people interested in slop.
- deleted 7mo ago
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bojan 7mo ago

> The video slop can well replace TikTok and Reels. Make educational content about your hometown. Explain how to throw an uppercut. There is a fundamental issue of trust here. Facebook has me tagged as history nerd so I get to see those slop videos. They are fun, but always superficial and often plainly wrong. So unless the slop comes from a known, trustworthy source, the educational element is simply not there. For throwing an uppercut it's even more important, if you follow wrong slop instructions you can end up breaking your wrist or fingers.

delta_p_delta_x 7mo ago

> the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music I wonder what OP categorises as 'mainstream'. As a classical musician this breaks my heart.

muzani 7mo ago
Many of the things on a top #100 list for the last few decades. That includes plenty of "indies" as well as pop. There are exceptions though. FUKOUNA GIRL by STOMACH BOOK, for example. AI can't come close to replicating something like this. Not the cover art, not the off-key voices, not the relatable part of the lyrics. I don't believe this is a top #100 song, though it certainly is popular.
- delian66 7mo ago
  It is chaotic crap.

hansmayer 7mo ago

Sweet Jesus. You realise this is the mental equivalent of stuffing your stomach full of junkfood and soda every day?

neutronicus 7mo ago
For a lot of people music is a focus aid, not the object of contemplation.
noelsusman 7mo ago
That doesn't sound meaningfully different from what people are already doing on Instagram and TikTok all day.
- hansmayer 7mo ago
  Absolutely correct and my comment is by no means dedicated just strictly to the AI slop.
muzani 7mo ago
This is a mainstream break up song: https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4 https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4 This is a vocaloid break up song: https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE The first isn't bad by any means. There's a million break up songs and that's one of the best sad ones. Most are just... angry? Blaming? Empowering? They work fine. They sell records. Many have have a billion views. But the second one, even with the clunky translation, strikes somewhere deeper. It's written by someone who had enough time ruminating on a break up. The ending hits a little harder, because break up songs are about endings. Both are sincere, but the first feels more formulaic. I'm inclined to think the first one is the soda. I feel Suno leans towards this group of songwriters and poets who have something to say. Sora doesn't.
- pesus 7mo ago
  Vocaloids are hardly similar to fully AI-generated songs. Vocaloids are still human controlled.

mlrtime 7mo ago

How do you get Suno songs for free? You listen to others or make your own?

animuchan 7mo ago
Almost nobody listens to others' songs on Suno, that's the entire point. You wouldn't care to order the food as I personally like it -- might be too spicy (or too bland) for your taste. Suno songs are overtuned for personal preference in the same way.
- mlrtime 7mo ago
  I get that, but you have to pay to create your own. And on the second part, I somewhat disagree. I mean, yes everyone has a personal preference, but if you bucket all those personal preferences they all fit nicely together (In many buckets).
  - animuchan 7mo ago
    A fairly narrow buckets, sure. I think the point of Suno is to make you not search for your specific thing though, and instead produce your own. Searching for niche music has always been a thing. If our goal is to listen for free, we don't care about Suno (or any other way to make music) one bit, it's just another DAW for those making music. And AI music in general sure has its fans, check out Only Fire for example.
muzani 7mo ago
They have a discover section for songs made public.

code_for_monkey 7mo ago

you could not waterboard an admission of bad taste like this out of me

wartywhoa23 7mo ago

I'm with you here, resonates so much. I'm so fed up with endless subway tunnels, they all look and sound utterly same and boring. So I quit riding the overpriced subway altogether and now consume AI-generated subway imagery and soundscapes for free, they are just good enough to feed my passion for boring tunels. Some ego-bloated edgelords had nerve to tell me that there are, like, other modes of transportation, but I honestly find their high-horse elitism despicable.. Damn morons.

throwaway613746 7mo ago

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