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I run for weight loss and general health and at one point had a BMI in the mid-thirties. Back then I was able to make that pace for sessions of 30-40 minutes on

by tjpnz 7mo ago

I run for weight loss and general health and at one point had a BMI in the mid-thirties. Back then I was able to make that pace for sessions of 30-40 minutes on most days. I'm not suggesting it's easy, but I would expect someone in ICE to easily outrun an obese person.

esseph 7mo ago
Genetics play into this far more than we used to realize. It depends on things like how good your body is at in taking and utilizing oxygen, the specific composition of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers you have, your body's ability to control and regulate lactic acid, etc. I used to work around some very "high level" athletes. There is definitely a body type that is pretty BMI heavy that can run for days seemingly. They often struggle with sprints or H.I.I.T. type workouts, as a downside.
- reducesuffering 7mo ago
  Jogging for 14 mins at a 10min/mile pace is so far out from any high level athletics or excuse for genetics impacting it. Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape. At run clubs, I see practically every novice join and do 3 miles / 30 mins at 10min/mile pace on their very first day or within 2-3 attempts.
  - esseph 7mo ago
    > Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape. Really not advocating for the time. It's quite slow compared to most US military standards. I'm simply talking about my love of visual "fatbodies" that sometimes have 5x the running cardio of a, say, 5'8" 150lb male that looks like they could run circles around the heavier individual.
  - somenameforme 7mo ago
    This is like saying that every novice who joins a power lifting club can easily press 60kg as a warmup. That's completely true, but also completely irrelevant because of a selection bias. A novice power lifter is already going to generally be in the top fraction of a percent of all people in terms of strength and lifting ability. I'm not at all into running but I suspect it's the exact same scenario. It's just a selection bias. And also like running, genetics plays heavily into it.

by tjpnz 7mo ago

esseph 7mo ago

Genetics play into this far more than we used to realize. It depends on things like how good your body is at in taking and utilizing oxygen, the specific composition of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers you have, your body's ability to control and regulate lactic acid, etc. I used to work around some very "high level" athletes. There is definitely a body type that is pretty BMI heavy that can run for days seemingly. They often struggle with sprints or H.I.I.T. type workouts, as a downside.

reducesuffering 7mo ago
Jogging for 14 mins at a 10min/mile pace is so far out from any high level athletics or excuse for genetics impacting it. Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape. At run clubs, I see practically every novice join and do 3 miles / 30 mins at 10min/mile pace on their very first day or within 2-3 attempts.
- esseph 7mo ago
  > Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape. Really not advocating for the time. It's quite slow compared to most US military standards. I'm simply talking about my love of visual "fatbodies" that sometimes have 5x the running cardio of a, say, 5'8" 150lb male that looks like they could run circles around the heavier individual.
- somenameforme 7mo ago
  This is like saying that every novice who joins a power lifting club can easily press 60kg as a warmup. That's completely true, but also completely irrelevant because of a selection bias. A novice power lifter is already going to generally be in the top fraction of a percent of all people in terms of strength and lifting ability. I'm not at all into running but I suspect it's the exact same scenario. It's just a selection bias. And also like running, genetics plays heavily into it.