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React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript

React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

anthonylevine 6mo ago
> Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire JavaScript runtime for no reason? Idk, and I'm not saying it's not a good question, but it's irrelevant to the comparison in OP's comment.
- voidUpdate 6mo ago
  Using an entire javascript runtime and framework to make your OS start menu is using a ridiculous overpowered electric screwdriver that strips heads. Using native windows controls is using a proper manual screwdriver that just works
  - serf 6mo ago
    it's also just a numbers thing. react and more broadly JS developers are a dime-a-dozen as far as availability goes compared to winapi folks. which on one hand, good -- fuck microsoft and the monolith; on the other hand we get react start menus when we have to use microsoft.
p_ing 6mo ago
.NET Framework needs its own runtime. Java needs its own runtime. What's the issue?
- voidUpdate 6mo ago
  I have no issue with user-facing applications doing whatever they want, electron apps bundle an entire chromium to do their thing, but there's a win32 and win64 api in C for a reason, to make OS level stuff fast
- jamesnorden 6mo ago
  I wouldn't want my start menu to load the entire Java runtime before opening, that's the issue at hand.
someguyiguess 6mo ago
Only someone who has not tried to write stuff in "native windows" would ask this question. If you want a real answer, go try and develop a Windows native application real quick. I'll wait...
- voidUpdate 6mo ago
  I would hope that the windows developers who are working on the windows shell would know how to write a windows native application in C. If it's that bad, they should improve the API, not just write it all in react instead
- hannahoppla 6mo ago
  Windows 7 was not written in react, it looked great and worked great. Get those guys to write the UI for Windows 11.
  - mexicocitinluez 6mo ago
    What parts of Windows was written in React?
- kergonath 6mo ago
  This is such a ridiculous argument. Applications were developed long before JavaScript was a thing.
- CamperBob2 6mo ago
  I learned Win32 programming from the Petzold book circa 1993. Pretty much everything in there still works, if I type it in and compile it with the current Visual C/C++ toolchain. I might need to get rid of a few MOVEABLE and DISCARDABLE tags here and there, I suppose.

React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

anthonylevine 6mo ago

> Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire JavaScript runtime for no reason? Idk, and I'm not saying it's not a good question, but it's irrelevant to the comparison in OP's comment.

voidUpdate 6mo ago
Using an entire javascript runtime and framework to make your OS start menu is using a ridiculous overpowered electric screwdriver that strips heads. Using native windows controls is using a proper manual screwdriver that just works
- serf 6mo ago
  it's also just a numbers thing. react and more broadly JS developers are a dime-a-dozen as far as availability goes compared to winapi folks. which on one hand, good -- fuck microsoft and the monolith; on the other hand we get react start menus when we have to use microsoft.

p_ing 6mo ago

.NET Framework needs its own runtime. Java needs its own runtime. What's the issue?

voidUpdate 6mo ago
I have no issue with user-facing applications doing whatever they want, electron apps bundle an entire chromium to do their thing, but there's a win32 and win64 api in C for a reason, to make OS level stuff fast
jamesnorden 6mo ago
I wouldn't want my start menu to load the entire Java runtime before opening, that's the issue at hand.

someguyiguess 6mo ago

Only someone who has not tried to write stuff in "native windows" would ask this question. If you want a real answer, go try and develop a Windows native application real quick. I'll wait...

voidUpdate 6mo ago
I would hope that the windows developers who are working on the windows shell would know how to write a windows native application in C. If it's that bad, they should improve the API, not just write it all in react instead
hannahoppla 6mo ago
Windows 7 was not written in react, it looked great and worked great. Get those guys to write the UI for Windows 11.
- mexicocitinluez 6mo ago
  What parts of Windows was written in React?
kergonath 6mo ago
This is such a ridiculous argument. Applications were developed long before JavaScript was a thing.
CamperBob2 6mo ago
I learned Win32 programming from the Petzold book circa 1993. Pretty much everything in there still works, if I type it in and compile it with the current Visual C/C++ toolchain. I might need to get rid of a few MOVEABLE and DISCARDABLE tags here and there, I suppose.