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I find Teams is often simply picked because of cost reasons. A lot of companies are paying for office and teams comes bundled with it. Why pay extra when its i
by mschild 6mo ago
I find Teams is often simply picked because of cost reasons.
A lot of companies are paying for office and teams comes bundled with it. Why pay extra when its included?
- joe_mamba 6mo agoYep, the amount of penny pinching some companies do nowadays is insane. Teams coming "for free" with their Microsoft 365 subscription is net positive for the bean counters.
- hsbauauvhabzb 6mo agoChat software is absurdly expensive. I’m not saying teams is good, but being nickel and dimed is a real risk for businesses too.
- Ekaros 6mo ago18€ a month per user for Business+ with Slack... I really do question whole thing... Ofc, when someone is making quarter to half a million paying twenty for basic cup of coffee is nothing. But still whole thing for chat application seems absolutely insane.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago>Chat software is absurdly expensive. Define absurdly expensive here. I can probably guarantee that for small to medium sized business paying Slack or Microsoft for chat software is miles cheaper than self hosting it yourself. My Google-Fu says Slack costs $18.00 /user/mo for their Business+ subscription plan. That's still relative peanuts compared to the yearly salary, let's say 60k/year, of developer you hire to self-host and maintain an on-prem Matrix/Jitsi instance with all the equivalent bells and whistles of Slack/Teams, but guess what, even then your clients/partner will send you MS Teams invites for calls, so you still have to pay for it anyway. Then isn't it easier if you just fork out the cash for Teams so you can focus on your product instead?
- OkayPhysicist 6mo agoYou do not need anywhere need a full time employee to spin up a Matrix instance. You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago>You need 1 of the IT people you're paying already to do a couple of hours of allocating a server, running it, and setting up permissions. We did that at my previous job during covid because we also though maintenance would only be a couple of hours of effort. It didn't work out that easy. It became a full time job so it was scrapped. People underestimate the amount of effort required maintaining on-prem infra across an org to match what cloud hypersacler providers offer.
- OkayPhysicist 6mo agoWhat on earth could someone being doing to a poor Matrix server that would necessitate a full time job?
- Arathorn 6mo agopotentially wrapping their own package or distro rather than using something like ESS Community? Or perhaps they left registration open and had abuse problems?
- 9dev 6mo agoThat was the reason we ditched Slack. I hate Teams with a passion, but we're not going to pay 6k per year for a chat app if we get Teams for free. There's just no way to defend that decision.
- iso1631 6mo agoWe used to have anti trust regulators. We don't now.
- 9dev 6mo agoWe've got a lot of billionaires with a higher balance on their bank accounts though, so you can't say it was all for nothing
- iso1631 6mo agoIt's not the billionaires that depress me, it's the "temporarily embarrased billionaires", the wannabes who don't believe in the American Dream but idolise instead a winner takes all Ferengi style system.
- hnthrow0287345 6mo agoYou can easily defend that for only 6k with 'but we like it and we'll be more productive with it and we won't hate our jobs'
- 9dev 6mo agoyeah, but that wouldn't be honest. Slack is more pleasant to use, but not 6k more pleasant to use. I'd rather put up with Teams and get my devs a raise instead.
- craftkiller 6mo agoHow few devs do you have? Assuming a small startup of 12, you'd be able to give each dev a raise of $42 per month. Your devs would have to be severely underpaid to notice a $42/month raise.
- dahcryn 6mo agoyeah I don't understand how this isn't blatant market abuse through their monopoly position Regulators should be all over it. EU has tried, but unsuccesfully, since it was lawyers who came up with the mitigation.
- ekianjo 6mo agoRegulators are either sleeping on billions of lobby money or asleep at the wheel
- account42 6mo agoDon't forget network effects. If other companies you are working with use Teams then there is less friction if you also use Teams yourself.