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No denial at this point, AI could produce something novel, and they will be doing more of this moving forward.
by karmasimida 7mo ago
No denial at this point, AI could produce something novel, and they will be doing more of this moving forward.
- leptons 7mo ago[flagged]
- snypher 7mo agoYour analogy falls apart if we consider the number wasn't on the clock face.
- MattGaiser 7mo agoI am deeply baffled by AI denial at this point.
- wtallis 7mo agoComplete denial that AI/LLMs can produce novel, good things is an indefensible stance at this point. But the large volume of AI slop is still an unsolved problem, and the claim that "AI will still mostly deliver slop" seems to be almost certainly correct in the near-term. We've had a few decades to address email spam, and still haven't manage to disincentivize it enough to stop being the main challenge for email as a communication medium. I don't think there's much hope that we'll be able to disincentive the widespread, large-scale creation of AI slop even after more expensive models with higher-quality output are available.
- bigstrat2003 7mo agoIt's quite simple: it has yet to show it can actually be useful, and all the claims that it can have (so far) turned out to be self delusion if not deliberate lies. When the industry is run by grifters, you shouldn't really be surprised when people stop believing them.
- Philpax 7mo agoyou are posting in a thread about it finding a novel solution to an unsolved mathematics problem
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- XCSme 7mo agoNot sure if AI can have clever or new ideas, it still seems to be it combines existing knowledge and executes algoritms. I am not necessarily saying humans do something different either, but I have yet to see a novel solution from an AI that is not simply an extrapolation of current knowledge.
- nkozyra 7mo agoClever/novel ideas are very often subtle deviations from known, existing work. Sometimes just having the time/compute to explore the available space with known knowledge is enough to produce something unique.
- salomonk_mur 7mo agoThere is no such thing. All new ideas are derived from previous experiences and concepts.
- Madmallard 7mo agoThe difference people are neglecting to point out is the experiences we have versus the experiences the AI has. We have at least 5 senses, our thoughts, feelings, hormonal fluctuations, sleep and continuous analog exposure to all of these things 24/7. It's vastly different from how inputs are fed into an LLM. On top of that we have millions of years of evolution toward processing this vast array of analog inputs.
- XCSme 7mo agoSo, just connect LLMs to lava lamps? Jokes aside, imagine you give LLMs access to real-time, world-wide satellite imagery and just tell it to discover new patrerns/phenomens and corrrlations in the world.
- dotancohen 7mo agoWe call that Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants and revere Isaac Newton as clever, even though he himself stated that he was standing on the shoulders of giants.
- slashdave 7mo agoI mean, I can run a pseudo random number generator, and produce something novel too.
- staticassertion 7mo agoIs this novel? It's new. But we already know AI can generate new things, any statistical reassembly of any content will generate new things. It's not to downplay this, but it's unclear what "novel" means here or what you think the implications are.